I feel the Bern!

[Smalliebigs]

1 hour ago, DainW said:

What I don't understand about the Donald Trump phenomenon is this. Donald Trump came into power by wooing the most vehemently anti-Obama segment of the country, the evangelical right and tea party republicans. Yet all of the things that these groups have been complaining about loudly over the past 8 years, Trump is almost a caricature of. 

Conservatives traditionally support limited government and fiscal responsibility, and have criticized Obama loudly for all of the debt that has been incurred under his watch. Yet Donald Trump is promising one of the largest tax cuts in American history (primarily to the highest wage earners), while also promising to invest in infrastructure, build a wall that will cost billions, and increase military spending. What do you think this will do to the debt? If you're a conservative that actually supports fiscal responsibility and limited government, how can you support Donald Trump?

The right has also loudly criticized Obama for being racially divisive. Yet in Donald Trump, they are supporting a guy who called mexican immigrants rapists and murderers on day one, the spokesperson for the birther movement, and the guy who wants to ban all muslim immigrants from the country. You don't think this rhetoric is divisive? Donald Trump's campaign strategy is divide and conquer. If you're a conservative who wants this country to heal racially, how can you support Donald Trump?

I've heard conservatives accuse Obama of being a lawless dictator who ignores the constitution, yet here they've nominated the guy who wants to jail political opponents, "open up the libel laws," thinks there are at least 12 articles in the constitution, and is trying to ban people of a certain religion from entering the country. If you're a constitutional conservative who loves freedom and wants this country to get back to the rule of law, how can you support a fascist like Donald Trump? 

I've also heard that foreign policy has been a mess the last 8 years and our allies don't respect us anymore, yet here you are supporting the guy that's cozying up to Putin and telling us we should reconsider our membership in NATO? Don't even get me started on the fact that he was pro-choice before he was pro-life, or that he's made a living by bribing public officials, including the Clintons. 

Look I just don't get it. I'm not saying you should vote for Clinton, she's as corrupt and power hungry as they come sure. But how can the republican party, the party of small government, constitutionalism, and family values prop up a thrice married con man who probably can't even spell the word constitution? I hate to say it guys, but when you look at all of these things together and try to understand why principled conservatives would actually support a guy like this, the only answer I can come up with is that they're responding to racial dog whistles. I hate to say it but Old Plug has a point. 

WOW!!!! just as you were instructed.....pulling the race card hahahahaha.....any indifference to your agenda or candidate and pull the card. I guess you just don't realize how pathetic most people feel that is?? Seriously I take whole a lot of offense to you and Old Plug throwing the racist accusations around.....quit with the talking points

 Al Agnew .....I love you and respect the hell out of you and meant no disrespect by my comments.....they are only my opinions versus yours.....pretty sure you know that 

[DainW]

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56 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

I don't really care who anyone votes for. Like I said, it's a no win situation. So make up your mind and vote for whomever you want or don't. But the accusations of racism are bullshit and that WILL stop on here. You want to preach that garbage take it some place else.

I agree.   Racism is bull crap. 

Whenever I go to Mountain Home to fish the white or the norfork, we have to drive through Harrison, Arkansas, and when we do i see billboards that say things like "diversity is a code word for white genocide." That doesn't really seem like bull crap to me. 

[DainW]

4 minutes ago, Smalliebigs said:

WOW!!!! just as you were instructed.....pulling the race card hahahahaha.....any indifference to your agenda or candidate and pull the card. I guess you just don't realize how pathetic most people feel that is?? Seriously I take whole lot of offense to you and Old Plug throwing the racist accusations around.....quit with the talking points

 Al Agnew .....I love you and respect the hell out of you and meant no disrespect by my comments.....they are only my opinions versus yours.....pretty sure you know that 

If you feel that my post is inaccurate, feel free to actually refute it point by point instead of just calling me pathetic. I'm sure there are a lot of racist white people that think talking about racism is pathetic. I don't have a candidate or an agenda that I'm pushing here. I'm just frightened that so many supposedly principled people could support an actual fascist. 

[DainW]

6 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Like the rights "You People" love to take away from Christian Bakers you mean?

And a temporary vetting process to find potential terrorists is taking away ones religious rights?

-If you own and operate a business in the public sphere, you don't have the right to use that business to discriminate against people. See the civil rights act that was passed in 1963. 

-We already do that. The current vetting process usually takes about 18-24 months to complete before a refugee is allowed access into the country. Trump is proposing that we actually ban people from entering the country based on their religion, which is a pretty clear violation of amendment number 1. Although to be fair, he did back off of those statements at the RNC. 

[DainW]

11 minutes ago, MOPanfisher said:

However the Democrat side of the situation seems to be more vested in driving the deep divides in Americans along racial, ethnic, religious and incomes lines.  

Can you give us more detail on why you feel that is? I watched both conventions pretty closely and there were a couple of themes that seemed to resonate from both. At the DNC one of the main themes or lines that got repeated a lot was "stronger together." At the RNC i heard this phrase a lot. "put real Americans first." 

I don't really see how "stronger together" is divisive at all, whereas when you start using phrases like "real Americans," then you're creating an "us" vs. "them" mentality. 

[Mitch f]

18 minutes ago, DainW said:

-If you own and operate a business in the public sphere, you don't have the right to use that business to discriminate against people. See the civil rights act that was passed in 1963. 

-We already do that. The current vetting process usually takes about 18-24 months to complete before a refugee is allowed access into the country. Trump is proposing that we actually ban people from entering the country based on their religion, which is a pretty clear violation of amendment number 1. Although to be fair, he did back off of those statements at the RNC. 

Actually the Colorado court ruled against the bakery in 2015.

And Muhammed Atta received his approval letter about 6 months after 9/11. The system worked so well?

And Trumps proposal was a temporary ban. Big difference. But if you insist that we are all racist, well that's your opinion.

Old Plug is actually one of my favorite guys on this forum, but I really had to hold Back about replying to his hoods in the closet  comments. And yes, it's a dog whistle thing...don't like Obama, you're racist, believe in traditional marriage, you're a homophobe. Believe in God, Xenophobic. All from Saul Alinski's rules for radicals book that Hillary did a thesis on in College. The liberals love to throw names and keep repeating them until it's the norm. 

[Old plug]

HOW 

How many get your new from one TV channel or the other solely. Both MSNBC and FOX are biased. They will both bend the truth.    Something like brain washing to be truthful. I never liked being lead one way or the other like some fool. 

When you see some accusations made against some act or official or or legislation., how many of you take the time to investigate the allegations. In most cases you can find a lot more about it on the Internet. You can get accurate views of both sides of the story. Rather than believing some talking head knows what he is saying on the boobs tube or if he even cares if it is truth.fisction or rumor. 

 

[DainW]

-The court in colorado ruled that the bakery illegally discriminated against the gay couple because it's illegal to discriminate against people if you own a business in the public sphere. Not sure what your argument is here?

-I never said the system was perfect. What I said is that it's unconstitutional to ban a group of people from entering the country based on religious grounds. You've still got a 1 in 20,000,000 chance in dying in a terrorist attack. If you're so worried about your safety that you're willing to impose unconstitutional bans, then you should also be in favor of banning people from driving right? I mean car accidents kill far more people every year than Muslim terrorists. Hell the number 1 killer of US citizens is heart disease. Should we ban cheeseburgers as well? 

As far as the rest of your post, it's just one big straw man. You're not a racist for not liking Obama. There have been plenty of things that I disagree with him on, denying firearms to people on the no-fly list for example. But when you pledge your undying support to a candidate that embodies everything that you've complained about from the Obama administration for the last 8 years and then some, I mean yeah, it does appear a bit racist. Again, anyone who disagrees with that feel free to explain to me how so many small government loving, fiscally responsible, family values republicans can support a big government fascist who's tax plan would triple the deficit and has been married three times? I've yet to see anyone take a stab at that. I've never accused anyone of being homophobic either. You can support traditional marriage all you want, but suggesting that we deny the same basic rights to gay couples that we afford to straight couples is discriminatory, period. FWIW I heard the word God referenced more at the DNC than the RNC. Xenophobia is defined as an irrational fear of foreigners. Given that American citizens kill more Americans per capita than non-american citizens do every year, I'd say that all the anti-immigrant/refugee hysteria is irrational and by definition, xenophobic. 

[DainW]

I think some of you guys are more offended by the mere mention of the word racism than some of my black friends would be if they actually got called the n word. When did this country become so sensitive? 

[Mitch f]

9 minutes ago, DainW said:

I think some of you guys are more offended by the mere mention of the word racism than some of my black friends would be if they actually got called the n word. When did this country become so sensitive? 

Being called a racist is a pretty horrible thing, when someone makes up untrue stuff about you and posts it on the Internet, you have a right to be offended.