turn over

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5 hours ago, jim m said:

lake turned yet in shell knob area of the lake, haven't been there in a few weeks. was out of pb2 on loz saturday and it had turned most of the fish we marked were 25-45 ft deep and bites were rare at best.  what is water temp my jerk baits are chomping at the bit

it has not finished i a lot of areas.  of course the shallower water turns fist.  just watch your electronics while sitting.  if it is turning, you will see horizontal streaks on your screen.  these horizontal streaks are air bubble being released from the bottom.  water temps are around 64 and going down.  where you need to be fishing in the water column is mostly dependent on what depth most of the bait is.

 

bo

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4 hours ago, Old plug said:

Every year we go thru this turn over conversation. The tiun  over temperature is 39 degres but is complicated by a whole lot of different things. the whole lake does not turn over at the same time. 

 

you are right about true turnover, but we actually have a fall turnover.  lakes that develop a thermocline end up with 3 band of water.  when surface water begins to cool, it actually starts pushing the thermocline deeper.  when the volume of water on top of the thermocline band becomes heavy enough it pushes through the thermocline and the water flip flops.  have you not ever observed all the globs of junk floating on the water surface after this has occured, and the off color of the water????  this is fall turnover or whatever name you would want to put on it.  it happens every year and if you do not understand fall turnover, you will struggle to consistently catch bass.  you have to fish downstream from it or upstream where is has already occurred or fish current where a thermocline never forms.

bo

[snagged in outlet 3]

Speaking of cool ol' boys.....check this ol'badass out.

 

Don't make me get out my wrist rocket.

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, merc1997 said:

  it happens every year and if you do not understand fall turnover, you will struggle to consistently catch bass. 

Don't kid yourself, you're gonna struggle to consistently catch bass whether you understand it or not. So if you never even knew that it occurred you'd be just as well off. 

Stay above it, throw fast moving topwater baits and cover alot of water.  When you get a bite work that area over good before moving on, because fish are likely schooled up.   That's the best advise I think you'll ever get for fishing turnover conditions.  

On natural lakes, strip pits, and ponds you're probably better off staying home and raking leaves.

[Flysmallie]

6 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

On natural lakes, strip pits, and ponds you're probably better off staying home and raking leaves.

Nope. You are never better off raking leaves. 

[MoCarp]

3 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

I actually argued with auto correct about that.   It was right all along.  Imagine that.

That being owned up to, I gotta say that if YOU become a Grammer Nazi then I'm outta here. 

now now..I just funning you..I understand the humor in the auto correct..I can't tell you how many times I have text an inappropriate message to a family member

2 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Don't your pretty little head, I think he likes you after your heart warming review of the OK carp fly fishers.

the littler skinny guy was def a character...makes life interesting

2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Hey, I'd hang out with those 2 old boys.  I'd even give the fat boy a better rod.  That 30.00 POS he was packing around made me feel sorry for him.   

I bet your a hoot in a bar sometime....

[snagged in outlet 3]

2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

That 30.00 POS he was packing around made me feel sorry for him. 

I saw that thing.  Freaking relic.

[fishinwrench]

57 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I bet your a hoot in a bar sometime..

I pretty much avoid bars.  Have a low tolerance for anybody drunker than I am.    

I have a funny story.  Actually it's a confession that I'm suddenly in the mood to come clean about, so I'm gonna drop it right here....

There was a dude around here that was quite a scrapper, MMA/Golden glove and all that business.  We were in a bar shooting pool and he was bad wasted.  I got irritated at his drunkenness and told him to get out of my face and go sit down. He got all pissed off and insisted that we go outside. I was like....Uh Oh! 

We go out into the parking lot, I start trying to talk him down, and he immediately goes Billy Jack on me, but he missed with one of his spin kicks and his shin hits the bumper of an old Dodge Power wagon and his other foot slid in the gravel and down he went.  I came down on the back of his head with my knee, grinding his face in the gravel, then I kicked him HARD in the face and took off running like a flushed rabbit.   The next day he was in a bad way, couldn't walk and his face looked real bad.  The word got out that I "kicked his posterior" and everybody, including him, treated me like I was Chuck Norris or something after that.  It even started to go to my head a little bit, until I thought about it and realized that if he hadn't been 3 sheets to the wind, or if there had been anybody else in the parking lot to see how it really went down, I would have been hospitalized or eventually killed.    

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3 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Don't kid yourself, you're gonna struggle to consistently catch bass whether you understand it or not. So if you never even knew that it occurred you'd be just as well off. 

Stay above it, throw fast moving topwater baits and cover alot of water.  When you get a bite work that area over good before moving on, because fish are likely schooled up.   That's the best advise I think you'll ever get for fishing turnover conditions.  

On natural lakes, strip pits, and ponds you're probably better off staying home and raking leaves.

well, believe what you want, but those that do understand fall turnover, will consistently catch more bass while it is going on.  while turnover is going on, it makes any lake fish really small, and fishing in higher percentage areas will increase your catch rate.

one of the greatest bassers to have ever fished the white river chain of lakes was a feller by the name of glen andrews.  he guided on table rock and bull shoals, and ended up his fishing on beaver.  he wrote a book about fishing ozark lakes, and one of the things he discussed was fall turnover.  i was blessed to have the opportunity to share the boat with glen a few times.  he taught me a lot about seasonal patterns, and one of the things he really stressed was in dealing with fall turnover.  glen was way ahead of his time in seasonal patterns and locating bass, and if still alive in this day and age, would make all of us look silly when it comes to catching bass.  don't even know if there would even be a copy of it still around, but it would be a good read for anyone.

bo

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3 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Stay above it, throw fast moving topwater baits and cover alot of water.  When you get a bite work that area over good before moving on, because fish are likely schooled up.   That's the best advise I think you'll ever get for fishing turnover conditions.  

to respond to this statement.  it makes no difference to stay above it as far as the water column goes because as the gasses from the bottom layer of the lake are rising up, they deplete the O2 levels.  that is why bass either leave the area or become dormant until O2 levels come back up to a level they can be active in.  kind of fits with the old saying about 90% of the bass are in 10% of the water.

bottom line is to fish where and how you think will produce for you.

bo