Mdc needs to do some stocking

[terryj1024]

I just read the Arkansas newsletter on the lower Bull Shoals site if you notice they do annual crappie stockings along with other fish. Don't understand why Missouri can't follow suit and do some stockings besides what they're already doing. Copy numbers on Table Rock are not what they used to be. There's no telling how much money they spend on Stocking those stupid paddlefish Missouri should follow suit stop some crappie some Largemouth and Table Rock on an annual basis and lower the link for Kentucky's two 12in. We all know Missouri has the funding for it to MDC takes in more money than most states do for their counterparts. Everybody on here should call the MDC and let them know how they feel maybe we get enough people calling maybe they'll listen.

[terryj1024]

Sorry guys copy is supposed to be crappie

[MoCarp]

I think they get federal dollars on paddlefish..but I agree some supplemental stocking could benefit some Missouri waters....they do stock a lot of walleyes ATM

 

[Guest]

i have harped at them ever since the fish kill to help the lake.  the mdc has deaf ears.

wake up mdc.  stocking, even in big lakes works.  just take a look at the success that texas has.

why stock a pond if stocking does not work????????????  it is not rocket science.

bo

[MoCarp]

I think its a rabbit hole they don't want to go down..because raising and stocking fish is labor intensive..IE hard work! who wants to get in a rearing pond and net up 300k fish load and stock...months of feeding and maintaining ponds....these guys went to school to get away from hard labor!!!! one of the reasons I never finished was I fell into advertising sales and unless I moved the only job for a while was working in a hatchery...and thats back breaking work!....there is a whole lot less work doing "studies" and that is where a lot of  $ go to ..great work if you can get it.

 

now no one will tell you that we will NEVER get rid of the jumping silver carp...EVER..yet we need to monitor it to hope we can prevent the spread....won't happen...... sooner or later some one will net "shad" and its tons of baby silvers and they will get in any system...hence the new bait rules in many states.....monitoring will only tell you HEY they are here now.....I don't have the answers but at lease we don't have a renovation industry like Nebraska/minnesota/ and other upper midwest states..they move from lake to lake on a 10 year cycle kill it out and start over ...one of the top 5 big fish lakes in NE was killed off a few months ago because it had "too many" carp..

anglers were outraged and wanted answers and asked at what is too many carp? asking to see sampling studies.....because the other fishing was great trophy bass and walleyes....ironically it was't the rod and reel carp guys revolting...we know at this point its a losing battle..put when you need some work for the fellas...some lakes gotta go....and this one was targeted.......what funny is the carp guys get blamed for bait bucket stocking...but who's going to put fish in a lake thats going to be a decade before its worth fishing (takes that long to grow a 20#er).....so in a nutshell should Missouri stock more fish....yep...I'd like to see more smallmouths and less walleyes at stockton go back to 18" limit....yellow perch would be awesome there as well..will it happen?...nope......IF WE ARE LUCKY we might see some muskie stocking in new places......depends who gets organized and hollars loudest....

[tjm]

Are these  catch and release fisheries? A more sensible approach might be to reduce the limits and increase the minimum lengths. 

 

[mojorig]

terryj1024,

The crappie stocking in the lower end of Bull Shoals Lake isn't an annual stocking. In fact looking at our stocking database which goes back to 1983, we have only stocked crappie in BS from our hatchery system in 2005, 06, 10 and 17. Typically if we stock crappie in BS, it is through the Nursery Pond at Lead Hill. We had some anglers request crappie be stocked in the lower end of the lake during the same time of the last nursery pond stocking. We promised them we would make a stocking request. The stocking in 2017 was fulfilling that promise. If we continue to have high water events every 2-4 years, we don't have plans to direct stock any more crappie from the hatchery system in the near future in BS.

[Ellros]

9 hours ago, MoCarp said:

.....I don't have the answers but at lease we don't have a renovation industry like Nebraska/minnesota/ and other upper midwest states..they move from lake to lake on a 10 year cycle kill it out and start over ...one of the top 5 big fish lakes in NE was killed off a few months ago because it had "too many" carp..

   That's not exactly true.  The lake renovation project "repairs" lakes that have heavily silted over, and/or become filled with trash fish.  The majority of NE doesnt have rock/sand for lake bottoms.  It's mud.  Only out in Western NE do you find sand lake bottoms.  So in Eastern NE the lakes HAVE to be dredged out or fishing quality severely declines.  And it's a lot more than every 10 years.

 

[MoCarp]

35 minutes ago, Ellros said:

That's not exactly true.  The lake renovation project "repairs" lakes that have heavily silted over, and/or become filled with trash fish.  The majority of NE doesnt have rock/sand for lake bottoms.  It's mud.  Only out in Western NE do you find sand lake bottoms.  So in Eastern NE the lakes HAVE to be dredged out or fishing quality severely declines.  And it's a lot more than every 10 years.

and its debatable what is considered "trash fish" ...more anglers fish for common carp than Muskies in the USA...economically promoting eurocarp angling has ben an economic boon for the areas in the US that have done so....Waddinton NY a small town of less than a 1000 people cater to anglers who travel there JUST to fish for common carp.....Austin Texas and lake fork Texas are other areas that benefit from the economics.

Some lakes in Nebraska were clear and had great gamefish populations and were renovated anyways...not saying that some waters are overrun with carp...but most euroanglers are not interested in catching tons on dinks, but rather the larger fish 20# and better....the powers that be at the state level do not promote beyond the eradication of commons even though they have been there 140 years....Asian Ringneck pheasants directly responceable for displacing native game birds like prairie Chickens and German Brown Trout also on the ICU most invasive list are championed in Nebraska management for use.....you can have your cake and eat it too....the technology is there to do so without killing of the fish the dredge and dewatering method saves years of downtime to build back fish populations how long does it take to produce 10# walleyes?.....its applications allow to remove silt in only the worse parts of the lake as time /need/ or budget allows...granted it a newer way typically used for smaller waters but it is faster and less expensive compared to total renovation.......tell Darrel at the other forum MoCarp Said hello 

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1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

and its debatable what is considered "trash fish"

No it's not.....it's a carp