Conservation Commission Action

[Phil Lilley]

Going over what the MCC did in their meeting Friday and this stood out:

• Suspended or revoked all hunting and fishing privileges of 325 individuals who are not in compliance with applicable child support laws.
• Suspended or revoked one or more hunting, fishing, and trapping privileges of 509 individuals in accordance with the terms of the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact.

 

Didn't realize that those who don't pay child support get their priveledges revoked.

 

https://livestream.com/mdc/events/8040983/videos/170007500

[tjm]

Yeah they been doing that for years and almost every month the numbers are high. The thing is though most of those revoked for child support probably wouldn't buy a permit any way. Several years ago I clicked a button somewhere that got me on an MDC email list and I always get notices of that sort of stuff, month after month you'd think they would run out of offenders but they never do.

[fishinwrench]

I'm not one who desires any effort by our conservation commission whatsoever being devoted to assisting the already well paid Child Support Enforcement division.   Let them do their own dirty work!

If divorce and custody courts were FAIR then I might feel differently, but they most certainly are NOT, and therefore I don't think that MDC has any business kissing the butthole of those heartless SOB's.   I've been tangled up in their trap before. They screw over more good fathers than they do bad ones by a HUGE margin.  Any division that sides with them should be defunded... like yesterday.

[tjm]

Not an MDC decision, MDC has to comply with a state statute. Statutes are made by the legislature and governor.  As I recall it has to be 3 months unpaid and when payment is made privilege is restored. Bet over all it cost MDC  a bit of cash to do the suspend/reinstate process over and over for some people.

Some states revoke drivers licenses or occupational/professional license (think doctor/lawyer), kind of stupid imo to take away the means to earn the money to pay with, but they do it. I suspect anyone that owns a boat or two and has the time to fish can probably pay for their kids needs. Or could afford a lawyer to get the court orders modified. Fishing ain't a cheap hobby.

Ar. used to have a deal where Dad could sleep in the jail on weekends til his jail obligation was filled, worked with a couple guys that were avoiding payment that way.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, Phil Lilley said:

Didn't realize that those who don't pay child support get their priveledges revoked.

they also lose their drivers license 

1 hour ago, tjm said:

 The thing is though most of those revoked for child support probably wouldn't buy a permit any way. 

I think the bulk are self employed and avoid the whole child support thing, a few angry moms went after a deadbeat dad who flaunted his outdoor pursuits like having a $40k bass boat with his rent a bikini woman..got a few salty and they lawyer up. I know more than a few who use a dead grandpas info to get a permit anyways..not like they have photo id permits ..yet!

54 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

They screw over more good fathers than they do bad ones by a HUGE margin.  Any division that sides with them should be defunded... like yesterday.

I agree I know of a guy who's behind and can't hunt or fish legally yet he loves his kids, he just has been played off a lot yet his cheating ex wishes to crush him

17 minutes ago, tjm said:

Ar. used to have a deal where Dad could sleep in the jail on weekends til his jail obligation was filled, worked with a couple guys that were avoiding payment that way.

the war on men isn't covered much, but it should be, but I think they closed the jail loophole, your dept keeps accruing 

[fishinwrench]

If you wanna get out of paying child support just join the National Guard, then sprain an ankle or complain of back pain and quit.  You are then considered a "disabled veteran" and although the arrears amount stays on record there will be no collection enforcement.  You can drive, hunt, fish, work a full-time job.....and never pay a dime.   

The party COLLECTING the child support can be a complete and total crack addict who dumps the kid(s) at a relatives and disappears for weeks at a time while denying the party who is behind on payments visitation with the children.....And this is perfectly ok.    

IMO if the state chooses to get involved in family affairs then they should actually research each case, instead of just assuming that anyone behind on payments is a "dead beat dad" who has nothing to offer his children besides drug money for Mom.    

Also IMO, if a woman decides to have kids with a irresponsible bum then she and the kids are just gonna suffer the consequences of that decision.   That's just the way it goes, and the state has no business getting in the middle of it.   Too bad/So sad.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

The party COLLECTING the child support can be a complete and total crack addict who dumps the kid(s) at a relatives and disappears for weeks at a time while denying the party who is behind on payments visitation with the children.....And this is perfectly ok.    

 

I wonder how many women would not keep their kids if not for the $?

[fishinwrench]

5 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I wonder how many women would not keep their kids if not for the $?

Only a total ding-a-ling would let go of those kids.   To a gal with no other accomplishments, the kids are her security blanket.  She knows that no matter what happens, society is not going to let those kids be forsaken.  And she gets to go along for the ride.  

A man doing without is no big deal, nobody cares..... but a woman with children, doing without, will have the whole community (and every church) bending over backwards buying her cars, paying off the mortgages, filling the closets with clothes and the cupboards with food, ect.     And every woman knows that.    

[timinmo]

Well apparently lack of knowledge does not keep people from having an opinion.  And the internet does not keep them from shouting it at the top of their lungs.