MO Lake water quality discussion

[skeeter]

Taneycomo and Casaletto mentioned prominently in the article. 

 

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/regulators-environmentalists-and-scientists-split-how-keep-missouris-lakes-clean

[snagged in outlet 3]

What is odd is that the EPA says Taney is impaired but Tablerock and Bull Shoals are not. 

[Old plug]

They are impaired they just do not talk about it. Lake communities resorts and what not that have septic system or some contraction requiring a pond or pool and no matter what they claim those systems leak affiants into the lake. All o a community does not need to be on the lake to cause fluent to go into the lake. It goes down thru the ground into the rock quaffers and will travel uphill and down under pressure int some where down in the lake bottom somewhere and enter into the lake. That is a absolute fact it happens everywhere and is a national concern about the nations ground water. 

[MoCarp]

 

Sewage water gets dumped after treatment yet CACA water getting into the watershed via floods, septic systems anything put on a lawn or roadway ends up in the water, population growth has a price, I have studied this a lot in the last 20 years, goose poop, carp, too many weeds...all scapegoats to the bigger problem, wetlands and vegetated ground can mediate to some degree, yet for every rooftop and parking lot sends water carrying all sorts of nasties, low DO, algae, benthic critters dieing and less diverse...sometime Vegas on the lake (the landing) jet boat tours, and all those LOZ type lifestyle people and infrastructure will be the death our waters...

 

 

 

https://www.mabiosolids.org/biosolids-classroom-blog/2017/3/25/branson-tri-lakes-biosolids-drying-facility

[MOPanfisher]

I believe that most treatment plants do very well.  There are obviously some that are failing or undersized or poorly designed, but overall doing well.  Big rains wash everything into the water sheds from agricultural chemicals and wastes to lawn fertilizer, not to mention the amount of petroleum byproducts from daily life.  It is a big problem and getting bigger.  Do we as a society have the desire and fortitude to do what needs to be done to protect our water resources?  It certainly won't be fast, easy or cheap.  I can remember many years ago my father saying America doesn't realize how important clean water is, when oil is no longer required in huge amounts or maybe before, was will be fought over access to water.

[snagged in outlet 3]

They brine the streets around here 4 days in advance of a "suspected" snow event.  Last year they brined 4 times with no snow.  This year 3 times.  I should have taken a picture of the bank parking lot down the road.  Literally looked snow but it was salt.  Crazy amounts of salt put down every year for nothing.

[Terrierman]

On ‎2‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 9:36 AM, snagged in outlet 3 said:

What is odd is that the EPA says Taney is impaired but Tablerock and Bull Shoals are not. 

Table Rock Lake is on the 303 (d) impaired waters list due to nutrients causing plant growth and eutrophication.  Chlorophyll a, Nitrogen and eutrophication indicators are all listed.  The effect is to make it practically impossible to get a new or larger capacity NPDES permit on TRL.  No additional loading is allowed.

https://dnr.mo.gov/env/wpp/waterquality/303d/docs/2018-303d-list-cwc-approved-1-4-2018.pdf

[Old plug]

I think the local powers that be( resorts and other business) would apply pressure to coverup anything that was found. I know they have a moss problem around the dam area in lower Table Rock that they say it is from lawn fertilizing. Well maybe to a tiny effect. When you understand the lower lake is the closest to the major business center I got my doubts.  Realize there are suppose to be stringent rules for subdivision and individual systems. I also know any pollutant can travel tru the ground for miles and enter a body of water. I think the lower Table Rock is just starting to show the effects. onece a pollutant goes into the ground it does not come out it travel with every rain. IF you do nothing t believ chat read it. I am sure the Corp of engin era know that. 

Here at LOZ some people on here like to shoot there mouth about how dirty it is. Thing is we have a independent lake water motoring ststem that is constant. We also or in the process of establishing  sewer districts. I live in one of those districts. We have a central treatment plant that will cover nearly all of the Gravois arm down to the camdenton county line.The plant is located not for from from Gravois Mills in addition to regular treatment the water passes though a  long shoot that sterilizes the water to the point where when it reaches the outlet it is totally sterile  Its tested hourly. The main problem here is property owners refusing to go on a sewer system for years. Law was passed  a few year ago that sewer hook up is not voluntary. If you do not want them they are going to put them in anyway and Bill you for the service.  The  reason they are not advancing faster is our glorious state legislature. Who will not appropriate any money from the state for further projects. DNR has also told our sewer district that in those cases where people refuse to pay. IF the sewer district shuts off the water and it backs up they mush pay for any  damage that occurs  they are responsible for all damage. Does that make since to anyone ? These people are just steeling th sewer service with state help. MOst of these type plans are rentals. 

Table Rock Really Lake is just a whipper snapper as far as lakes af goes. All the same problem older lakes have  is coming there also. You drive around the hills down there and all the time and see cuts just full of Quaffers. that can travel miles up and down hills to reach that lake. 

                                     

 

  

[Terrierman]

Believe it or not, lake water quality is a complicated issue.  The science is expensive, never complete and as always in our world, there are competing interests. 
Plus it's really easy to hate on regulators and regulations that cost money with results that may not be easily quantifiable.  There are a lot of people working very hard to protect our SWMO waters. 

Water quality protection has been my life's work.  Two things worry me the most.  Ever increasing population and the inevitable pressures people put on water.  And politicians who are more interested in getting elected the next time up than doing the right thing.  IMHO, the higher up the ladder you go, the bigger the latter problem becomes.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, Terrierman said:

  Two things worry me the most.  Ever increasing population and the inevitable pressures people put on water.  And politicians who are more interested in getting elected the next time up than doing the right thing.  IMHO, the higher up the ladder you go, the bigger the latter problem becomes.

Amen