New Missouri wake law

[fishinwrench]

If the powers that be were truly concerned about the safety aspect of drinking and driving/boating then they'd outlaw selling liquor by the drink, enforce the open container law, and make consuming alcohol legal only while at home.   But apparently there hasn't been enough people killed by folks out running around drinking yet, and the lawyers and courts are making a killing.

[jdmidwest]

Its because the lawyers are the biggest boozers.

I don't mind public drunkedness as long as the motor does not create a killing machine.  And I don't have to deal with the drunk, sober.

I grew up in a time with fewer laws and less regulations.  And that was Eutopia.  The stupid crap that happens today did not exist 50 years ago.  But wealth and technology has changed, and the display of money seems to be more prolific.  Big boats with no other purpose than running around saying I have it seems to be the norm on big waters now days.  My boats all have a purpose, sporting that is.  Not that I don't enjoy the wind in my face and the water spray seeing the sights on a lake.  99 percent of my boating is hop in, go fishing.

People have just went stupid.  I could not even gas up today without a pile up in the parking lot.  I have seen more accidents in the past month than I have seen in my whole life it seems.  Nobody seems to pay attention to anything anymore.

[mixermarkb]

6 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

People have just went stupid.  I could not even gas up today without a pile up in the parking lot.  I have seen more accidents in the past month than I have seen in my whole life it seems.  Nobody seems to pay attention to anything anymore.

Smart phones. The Internet will be the downfall of western society. Devices designed to be addictive, because money isn't made when you set the phone down. Folks don't actually live in the real world anymore, but their carcasses are still here, driving, walking, boating, while their brains are somewhere out there in digital world.

[jdmidwest]

23 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

Smart phones. The Internet will be the downfall of western society. Devices designed to be addictive, because money isn't made when you set the phone down. Folks don't actually live in the real world anymore, but their carcasses are still here, driving, walking, boating, while their brains are somewhere out there in digital world.

Not the digital world, its called a rectum.  They need to pull their head out and watch what is going on.

[fishinwrench]

I'd like to blow when I've been drinking and see precisely where .08% truly is.   

They claim that every accident is caused from drunk driving, but honestly I ain't buying it.   I've watched people leave a little buzzed but in good enough shape to play Frisbee, badminton, volleyball, ect. (and Win!)  And then later hear that they got busted for drunk driving right after they left.  They weren't staggering, slurring words, or anything.    I'd feel safer riding with them than some legally sober soccer mom on anti-depressants and thyroid medication during a full moon.

That Ellingson kid that they killed for drunk boating was in good enough condition to win 4 back to back volleyball games.  ------- if you have enough coordination to pull that off then you can freakin' drive just fine.   I feel like most of this drunk driving business is media hype.

Hell if you crash while totally sober they should throw you in jail and suspend your licence indefinitely, because you obviously have no excuse other than you are too stupid to watch where you're going while at your very best.  You simply aren't fit to drive, EVER.    For every "drunk driver" that crashes there are thousands that make it home just fine. The odds truly aren't any better for sober drivers.

Just because you had a beer or two doesn't mean that is what CAUSED the accident.

[tjm]

You have point about the sober driver having only stupidity as an excuse, so, should the drunk that crashes get a pass because he has a better  excuse?

[fishinwrench]

25 minutes ago, tjm said:

You have point about the sober driver having only stupidity as an excuse, so, should the drunk that crashes get a pass because he has a better  excuse?

No, but I don't see a valid reason to separate the two.   And more to the point, I don't see a valid reason for the media to make it a point to report EVERY incident in which one of the party's involved tested positive for alcohol consumption.   

If some knucklehead  T-bones or rear-ends a guy, and that guy happens to have beer on his breath then they purposely lead you to believe the whole accident happened because "that basturd was drunk".    And furthermore, if by terrible chance a person in the OFFENDING vehicle gets killed.....then that (innocent) dude with beer on his breath is gonna be charged with manslaughter.    

Oh sure, you can say "well he was .08% and he was in a car on the road, (or boat on the lake) so therefore he is guilty of a crime".   Ok, I'll give you that.....but the crime he's guilty of isn't Manslaughter.    The object of the game is to be a good driver, and even if he WAS .08% he was being a good driver and didn't cause the accident.   He's a victim just as much as a drunk person that gets raped or beaten.  Because odds are in THOSE cases the person wouldn't have gotten raped or beaten if they hadn't been drinking and running their mouth with their tits hanging out.

Don't ya think? 🤔

[fishinwrench]

They have defeated their purpose by propagandizing this drunk driving thing.  Because now when a crime is committed and everyone is drinking.....then there are NO CREDIBLE WITNESSES.   

A statement or a confession made by someone who was .08% at the time the crime was committed is as worthless and undesirable in court as a silent fart.   Lawyers get paid but justice is never served.

If you're considered too drunk to drive a car or boat then you're definitely considered too drunk to be a key witness to a crime. If you ever wanna get out of jury duty just tell them that you once got drunk and forgot your name for 12 hours.😄

[Al Agnew]

Wrench, I pretty much agree with you.  In effect, the .08 legal limit is an attempt to stop people from drinking ANYTHING and then driving.  As you first said, you don't KNOW how much you can drink and still be under the limit, and different people not only function differently under the influence of small amounts of alcohol, but metabolize the alcohol differently.  Maybe some people don't function well at .08, but others most certainly do.  I know I can drink 2 beers in a half hour or so and still function just as well as I did before drinking them, but if I down that third one, I start to feel it--and that's when I shouldn't be driving.  But I know guys who can down a half dozen in that hour and still be normally functional.  

So, if the goal is to basically stop everybody from driving after drinking, period, fine...just say any alcohol in your system makes you an illegal driver.  Not some arbitrary figure that makes people think they are legal to drive because they know they are operating normally, so surely they must be under the limit.  And then they get into an accident that has nothing to do with their own driving, and get the book thrown at them.

[Coosa]

On Fri Jun 15 2018 at 10:08 PM, fishinwrench said:

I'd like to blow when I've been drinking and see precisely where .08% truly is.   

They claim that every accident is caused from drunk driving, but honestly I ain't buying it.   I've watched people leave a little buzzed but in good enough shape to play Frisbee, badminton, volleyball, ect. (and Win!)  And then later hear that they got busted for drunk driving right after they left.  They weren't staggering, slurring words, or anything.    I'd feel safer riding with them than some legally sober soccer mom on anti-depressants and thyroid medication during a full moon.

That Ellingson kid that they killed for drunk boating was in good enough condition to win 4 back to back volleyball games.  ------- if you have enough coordination to pull that off then you can freakin' drive just fine.   I feel like most of this drunk driving business is media hype.

Hell if you crash while totally sober they should throw you in jail and suspend your licence indefinitely, because you obviously have no excuse other than you are too stupid to watch where you're going while at your very best.  You simply aren't fit to drive, EVER.    For every "drunk driver" that crashes there are thousands that make it home just fine. The odds truly aren't any better for sober drivers.

Just because you had a beer or two doesn't mean that is what CAUSED the accident.

I've often wondered how many times a sober driver has hit and killed a drunk driver and the the latter was blamed and unable to defend themselves. They just go out as the a hole that caused a bad wreck.

I agree wrench, just because alcohol was involved doesn't mean it was the cause.