The mine again

[SpoonDog]

12 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

I'm talking about undocumented cash here, less the hourly pay.  April-October.   Most are college kids, teachers, off duty cops, real estate folks. 

So no taxes, no SS, no bennies?  Then they are breaking the law...

[fishinwrench]

2 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

So no taxes, no SS, no bennies?  Then they are breaking the law...

Show me the law.   Then prove it. 

Surely you aren't accusing off duty cops of breaking the law.  😲 

Of all the audacity!  

[SpoonDog]

57 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

At the hottest party spot on Lake O they have young, middle aged, and old working.  The young crew members are making 250-600 per shift, but if they catch wind that one of the staff made 100+ more than they did on any particular shift.....They are immediately ready to quit.   It is that mentality that will be their downfall of they don't get over it.   They don't understand Give & Take.

They're making the same decision the business is.  They need X dollars to cover rent, gas, utilities, insurance, student loans, etc (plus party expenses).  They can only afford so many $250 days over the course of a season before they need to go look elsewhere. It's a two-way street: if employers aren't providing an incentive to stay, and employees aren't making enough money to justify sticking around...they're not going to.

[fishinwrench]

15 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

if employers aren't providing an incentive to stay, and employees aren't making enough money to justify sticking around...they're not going to.

Occasionally they do quit..... but then always come begging for their job back in a couple weeks.   It's not hard work.  It's really not even "work".  It is more like throwing a party, but not having any liquor yourself until people start to thin out.   

The girls all want to work there because they get to show off their T&A to rich dudes.   The guys wanna work there because they get attention from the chicks whenever the rich dudes aren't around.    

So there's your incentive. 😅

[SpoonDog]

I think Pebble is a great example of the sort of headwinds younger generations face when dealing with the legacy of the past.  

Many young people today understand their history- many understand it better than their parents.  They understand where we came from- warts and all.  In the case of Pebble, they understand we've destroyed every single major run of Pacific salmon up and down the coast- and now we're set to wreck this one, too.  Previous generations let salmon runs collapse because we wanted cheap timber, or cheap metals, or cheap beef, or cheap power, or enough water to irrigate potatoes or sugar beets in a part of the world that gets ten inches of rain a year.  Each one of those compromises tied the hands of future generations.  Now, there's precious little left to compromise.  Young people understand that.

I don't have the temerity to argue someone working two or three jobs has a poor work ethic.  I think a lot of young people understand older generations have created a situation where work ethic is immaterial.  That Guy complaining about young people's work ethic isn't going to pay them $12/hr to put a roof on the house, when they can run down to Home Depot and get a crew that'll do it for $8/hr, all the while crowing about personal responsibility and fiscal responsibility and free-market economics.  Young people today understand That Guy.  They've been dealing with That Guy for a while now. 

That  Guy complains how young people don't understand How We Got Here, as young people deal with 30-40 years of stagnant wages, rising healthcare/insurance/education costs, student loans, crumbling infrastructure, etc.  We got here because That Guy didn't want to deal with it.   

That Guy complains about college students cheering about affordable healthcare, when young folks realize health insurance in this country is largely tied to employment, and 2008 wasn't a particularly spectacular job market.  

That Guy complains about schools he votes to defund as being bastions of liberal/socialist ideology because they can only attract teachers who aren't in it for the money-because there isn't any.  That Guy complains about students not reading history books their district couldn't afford to purchase because That Guy voted someone into office who demonized education and committed to slashing budgets.

That Guy's decisions tie the hands of future generations.  Now, they're trying to navigate a way out.  

 

 

 

[ColdWaterFshr]

9 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

I think Pebble is a great example of the sort of headwinds younger generations face when dealing with the legacy of the past.  

Many young people today understand their history- many understand it better than their parents.  They understand where we came from- warts and all.  In the case of Pebble, they understand we've destroyed every single major run of Pacific salmon up and down the coast- and now we're set to wreck this one, too.  Previous generations let salmon runs collapse because we wanted cheap timber, or cheap metals, or cheap beef, or cheap power, or enough water to irrigate potatoes or sugar beets in a part of the world that gets ten inches of rain a year.  Each one of those compromises tied the hands of future generations.  Now, there's precious little left to compromise.  Young people understand that.

I don't have the temerity to argue someone working two or three jobs has a poor work ethic.  I think a lot of young people understand older generations have created a situation where work ethic is immaterial.  That Guy complaining about young people's work ethic isn't going to pay them $12/hr to put a roof on the house, when they can run down to Home Depot and get a crew that'll do it for $8/hr, all the while crowing about personal responsibility and fiscal responsibility and free-market economics.  Young people today understand That Guy.  They've been dealing with That Guy for a while now. 

That  Guy complains how young people don't understand How We Got Here, as young people deal with 30-40 years of stagnant wages, rising healthcare/insurance/education costs, student loans, crumbling infrastructure, etc.  We got here because That Guy didn't want to deal with it.   

That Guy complains about college students cheering about affordable healthcare, when young folks realize health insurance in this country is largely tied to employment, and 2008 wasn't a particularly spectacular job market.  

That Guy complains about schools he votes to defund as being bastions of liberal/socialist ideology because they can only attract teachers who aren't in it for the money-because there isn't any.  That Guy complains about students not reading history books their district couldn't afford to purchase because That Guy voted someone into office who demonized education and committed to slashing budgets.

That Guy's decisions tie the hands of future generations.  Now, they're trying to navigate a way out.  

 

 

 

You had me at “temerity”.  🤣

A word I don’t think 1 in 10 Trump supporters could spell, let alone their hero could even correctly pronounce from a teleprompter.  

Also, the National Parks funding wasn’t a bill initiated by Trump.  Go look it up who did.

Yo,

Semite!

[luckycraft]

11 minutes ago, ColdWaterFshr said:

You had me at “temerity”.  🤣

A word I don’t think 1 in 10 Trump supporters could spell, let alone their hero could even correctly pronounce from a teleprompter.  

Also, the National Parks funding wasn’t a bill initiated by Trump.  Go look it up who did.

Yo,

Semite!

I’m a trump supporter.   Educated.    Thanks for the insult!

[ColdWaterFshr]

1 minute ago, luckycraft said:

I’m a trump supporter.   Educated.    Thanks for the insult!

You’re welcome.  Now go research who introduced the Great American Outdoors Act.  Run along.... and report back.

[luckycraft]

There is a thing to talk about politics and another for name calling.   Do I have to pull out “I’m rubber and you’re glue”.  Good grief!

[luckycraft]

11 minutes ago, ColdWaterFshr said:

You’re welcome.  Now go research who introduced the Great American Outdoors Act.  Run along.... and report back.

Most of your post are insults to Trump supporters.   Research and get back to me.   Run along