trout

[Ryan Miloshewski]

4 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

That's my recipe!  I heard you on Ray Eye a couple weeks ago.  I was heading to the river and you were giving a Taney report.

Oh boy..I sound way uglier than I am, I promise!

[tjm]

My aunt used to pressure can a hundred or two trout each summer in Idaho and used them in salmon patties all winter, thinking about that makes me hungry. Too bad we have idiotic possession limits that prevent  such things.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

My aunt used to pressure can a hundred or two trout each summer in Idaho and used them in salmon patties all winter, thinking about that makes me hungry. Too bad we have idiotic possession limits that prevent  such things.

It was practices like that which devastated fish and wild life stocks here and in Europe... that brought about the modern era of conservation, substance living devastated critters all over the world, market hunting made passenger the pigeon extinct, deer, elk buffalo, wild turkey....lake trout in the Great Lakes, Brook trout in the east, many species of trout in the west...many areas of the USA became devoid of  critters that are common today. brown trout and common carp were blamed for losses then, when in fact it was over harvest, degradation of habitat and source point pollution were the real reasons.

Common carp and browns were much harder hard to catch

(   Up until the 1980s carp were so hard to catch only the most detracted anglers tried, amazing that the $8 plus billon a year carp industry developed so recently  https://www.anglersmail.co.uk/blogs/big-fish-thursdays/development-of-carp-fishings-famous-hair-rig-60807 )

along with there ability to live in polluted waters gave the appearance of them taking over. Too many carp are a symptom of a distressed water not the cause. Browns could live in much warmer water than native trouts

here is some nice reading on conservation history...btw we still have people that flaunt the laws to subsist on fish and wildlife, if they didn’t or did so less fishing would be better!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_management

[Flysmallie]

4 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

(   Up until the 1980s carp were so hard to catch only the most detracted anglers tried, amazing that the $8 plus billon a year carp industry developed so

And then BOOM, just like that they were everywhere that some kids on bikes could get to and chase all summer long. 

[tjm]

She weren't prejudiced  , she canned carp too.

Why do you think storing food equates taking more than a daily limit?  I would fish more often and eat way more  fish if I could keep fish until there was a desire to eat fish or til there were enough fish to make meal for a whole family. As I said idiotic possession limits.  Thou shall not keep fish more than one day.

Subsistence and market hunting are at opposite ends of the conservation spectrum. 

[MoCarp]

32 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

And then BOOM, just like that they were everywhere that some kids on bikes could get to and chase all summer long. 

I imagine it was gradual to the levels we see today, just like bass fishing’s growth during my lifetime, I assure you bassin in the 70s was far different than today...ZWOLLE  baby!

25 minutes ago, tjm said:

She weren't prejudiced  , she canned carp too.

Why do you think storing food equates taking more than a daily limit?  I would fish more often and eat way more  fish if I could keep fish until there was a desire to eat fish or til there were enough fish to make meal for a whole family. As I said idiotic possession limits.  Thou shall not keep fish more than one day.

Subsistence and market hunting are at opposite ends of the conservation spectrum. 

You can fish more, just don’t keep them, if you want to argue sustainability, take that up with the fish and wildlife folks that set bag and possession limits, I’m pretty confident that with CWD your venison limits will be generous in the future.

[tjm]

Trout don't get TSE.  Elk got nothin to do with this conversation, I think you been spending too much time wit crazy Larry and it's rubbing off.

1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

You can fish more, just don’t keep them,

Why pay for trout you aren't allowed to keep? Best thing carp has going is no possession limits.

[MoCarp]

20 minutes ago, tjm said:

Best thing carp going is no possession limits.

*yet ( in Missouri that is) already in others... by the way never met LD 

[MOPanfisher]

   Up until the 1980s carp were so hard to catch only the most detracted anglers tried, amazing that the $8 plus billon a year carp industry developed so recently  

Strange, when I was growing up in the 70s carp were certainly not scarce or difficult to catch, we trot lined for them, pressure cooked and canned bunch of them.  They were literally everywhere.  Oddly trout and carp cook about them same, and while I don't categorically dislike trout, I do like a baked carp better than a trout.

[MoCarp]

Carp get pretty savvy once the get a bit of age on them, the get to about 10 pounds or so by age 5 or 6....growth slows and a 20 plus can be very old, one shed in Minnesota was 60 years old to land a 30 usually takes some special tactics and some luck, in the uk fish ar far tougher than here small waters fish get caught many times in there life, they may go days for one bite, catch a big tough fish and you make the papers, think frank the brown trout same kinda think there... as far as eating fish I hate oily fish trout, carp, mackerel..., give me red snapper, walleye, sunfish, crappie , yellow perch.....then only every now and then