Crappie, 10-7

[luckycraft]

3 hours ago, Dutch said:

I was talking with a kayak angler a couple of weeks ago at Bait Masters.  He was heading to Aldrich.  During our conversation he said that he had caught and released a muskie up in the Little Sac this summer.  He said it drug his yak all over the place before he got it landed.

Fake news.   There are no fish in the little sac.    Only toward greenfield

[olfishead]

12 hours ago, Dutch said:

I was talking with a kayak angler a couple of weeks ago at Bait Masters.  He was heading to Aldrich.  During our conversation he said that he had caught and released a muskie up in the Little Sac this summer.  He said it drug his yak all over the place before he got it landed.

More than likely a gar.

[Dutch]

1 hour ago, olfishead said:

More than likely a gar.

It is always a possibility but this was a local country guy.  He had the look and demeanor of someone who knew what he was doing.  

[MrGiggles]

15 hours ago, olfishead said:

Tiger muskies were Stocked in Stockton around 1972-73, very few showed up in angler's creel and very few reports of them being caught. So, MDC discontinued stocking them. Muskies stocked in Pomme escape thru the dam into Truman and occasionally get caught in Lake of the Ozarks  and Truman. I know of none that have been caught in Stockton. 

Wish I could find that post from Caplinger. Think it was 2012 or 2013. 

There was another post on here from a guy that found a Musky skeleton on the banks of Stockton. Can't remember when, but it wasn't that long ago.

I think there's a few in there. Probably came through from Fellows, the same way those Pomme fish get into the Osage.

Then there was the picture from Facebook. Their search function is terrible so I doubt I could find it, definitely a Musky, whether or not it was actually caught in Stockton, who knows.

None were tigers though.

[olfishead]

On 10/17/2020 at 7:00 AM, MoCarp said:

I think I read it in the MDC publication same place that told of stocking silversides and copper nose bluegills,....

also the planting of submerge  weed beds 

I have slept since then and it was 30 ish years ago

i will also note fishing changed when they started pumping water to Springfield... wonder if it changed the thermocline dynamics... water seems clearer or not as much plankton as I remember ....perhaps less chicken caca spread on pastures? IDK 

trying to remember when the tiger muskies quit showing up 

Mocarp, I finally had time to maybe shed some light on your questions.  I don't remember copper nosed bluegills being stocked, (I really don't think they were) but do remember sampling for mississippi and brook silversides to monitor whether or not the stocked Mississippi's were gaining in densities. To my recollection they held thier own at about 20% of the population for several years. I'm not sure about more recently. I remember stocking threadfin shad from Oklahoma. They did not survive, we thought due to the really cold winter of 1975 or 76?.

As for the decline in plankton and algae abundance, that is typical of an aging deep lake.  The topsoil that includes the nutrients gets washed out to deeper water and/or flushed completely of the lake system. Then nutrients are tied up in the undisturbed deep water sediments. Sometimes there is a well distributed source of nutrients (like septic systems around lake of ozarks) that constantly feeds the system. Also, there is a gradient of suspended nutrients/silt as you move down the lake due to the influx from the larger streams. All of which is enfluenced by water releases that flush nutrients thru the system.

Tiger muskies died out from natural mortalities in the late 70's due to no natural reproduction.

Hope this helps.

[olfishead]

4 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

Wish I could find that post from Caplinger. Think it was 2012 or 2013. 

There was another post on here from a guy that found a Musky skeleton on the banks of Stockton. Can't remember when, but it wasn't that long ago.

I think there's a few in there. Probably came through from Fellows, the same way those Pomme fish get into the Osage.

Then there was the picture from Facebook. Their search function is terrible so I doubt I could find it, definitely a Musky, whether or not it was actually caught in Stockton, who knows.

None were tigers though.

Yes, and sometimes but not often an individual fish of a different will get mixed in at the hatchery when more than one species are raised at that hatchery.. I learned a long time ago to never say never, back when the MDC said there were no mountain lions in MO and later was proven wrong. I verified a Pacu (S. American pirana) from Pomme too!

[olfishead]

1 hour ago, MrGiggles said:

Wish I could find that post from Caplinger. Think it was 2012 or 2013. 

There was another post on here from a guy that found a Musky skeleton on the banks of Stockton. Can't remember when, but it wasn't that long ago.

I think there's a few in there. Probably came through from Fellows, the same way those Pomme fish get into the Osage.

Then there was the picture from Facebook. Their search function is terrible so I doubt I could find it, definitely a Musky, whether or not it was actually caught in Stockton, who knows.

None were tigers though.

Yes, and sometimes but not often an individual fish of a different will get mixed in at the hatchery when more than one species are raised at that hatchery.. I learned a long time ago to never say never, back when the MDC said there were no mountain lions in MO and later was proven wrong. I verified a Pacu (S. American pirana) from Pomme too!

[straw hat]

I remember a guy catching a tilapia from below Lake Springfield dam a couple of years ago. 

[MoCarp]

On 10/18/2020 at 10:23 AM, olfishead said:

Mocarp, I finally had time to maybe shed some light on your questions.  I don't remember copper nosed bluegills being stocked, (I really don't think they were) but do remember sampling for mississippi and brook silversides to monitor whether or not the stocked Mississippi's were gaining in densities. To my recollection they held thier own at about 20% of the population for several years. I'm not sure about more recently. I remember stocking threadfin shad from Oklahoma. They did not survive, we thought due to the really cold winter of 1975 or 76?.

As for the decline in plankton and algae abundance, that is typical of an aging deep lake.  The topsoil that includes the nutrients gets washed out to deeper water and/or flushed completely of the lake system. Then nutrients are tied up in the undisturbed deep water sediments. Sometimes there is a well distributed source of nutrients (like septic systems around lake of ozarks) that constantly feeds the system. Also, there is a gradient of suspended nutrients/silt as you move down the lake due to the influx from the larger streams. All of which is enfluenced by water releases that flush nutrients thru the system.

Tiger muskies died out from natural mortalities in the late 70's due to no natural reproduction.

Hope this helps.

After the gills were stocked after a few years people got on road cricket pattern for big gills... guy doing so caught the 1st state record smb from Stockton for a while it hung in orleans trail ...

if I remember correctly some chicken house operations got bought out west of 37 prob in advance of Springfield water getting pumped

Rock bass seem to blossom on Tr. be nice if that gene pool of fish could be used as brood stock for Stockton 

anything to spread harvest,

 

 

[Walcrabass]

As I remember.................  I stated a couple of years ago that with the large number of Crappie being caught, many, many , limits................  and a lot of them being over 11" in length.....................  I requested that the length limit be raised to 11" the following year and hopefully to 12" soon after.............

Sure wish that had been done........... plenty of food in the lake................ 

now we are hoping for 10 inchers again.................

 

Walcrabass