Covid round 2

[Ketchup]

2 minutes ago, Al Agnew said:

It's a respiratory virus.  Present knowledge is that there is no evidence you can get it from eating food, even food that has the virus on it.  That's NOT the reason restaurants are problematical, the reason is that you spend an hour or more in a restaurant without wearing a mask, among a lot of other people who are not wearing masks.  One study showed that whether someone gets it from somebody else in a restaurant is dependent upon the directional flow of the heat/ventilation system.  The first few months of the virus, when we knew little about it, it was believed it COULD be spread by being on food, but even then it was more touching the food, picking up the virus on your hands, and then putting your hands up to your face and breathing it in.

Al, i will play along with your statement. So with all of the testing, studies, etc. i have not read 1 single bit of information that proves that a worker, in a food establishment, can NOT in fact spread the virus to another via the container that the food was contained in. If that worker had a mask on, not properly worn, coughed in his hands just before handing it to the person taking the food home, then that person handles that container with bare hands, parks in the parking lot and starts eating that food “lets say tacos or any hand foods”, that it cannot be transferred to another. If you have evidence from a credible source, please share. Not from the gov’ment led CDC, or far left news media. An actual study devoted just to this topic. 

[Mitch f]

27 minutes ago, Al Agnew said:

It's a respiratory virus.  Present knowledge is that there is no evidence you can get it from eating food, even food that has the virus on it.  That's NOT the reason restaurants are problematical, the reason is that you spend an hour or more in a restaurant without wearing a mask, among a lot of other people who are not wearing masks.  One study showed that whether someone gets it from somebody else in a restaurant is dependent upon the directional flow of the heat/ventilation system.  The first few months of the virus, when we knew little about it, it was believed it COULD be spread by being on food, but even then it was more touching the food, picking up the virus on your hands, and then putting your hands up to your face and breathing it in.

Al, you’ve had 2 vaccines, are you sure that you wouldn’t be safe in a restaurant? It seems to me that you would be safe. 
 

[fishinwrench]

I just learned something.  I wasn't aware that you couldn't do Covid orally.....ya gotta snort it.   

Also I was under the impression that the virus couldn't live through HEAT.   So if the little bugger gets sucked into the fresh air return, blown through a filter, and then blown over heating coils.....then you shouldn't be able to get it via central heating.   

Of course I'm sure that I'm wrong. 🙄

[Gavin]

There is some serious gamesmanship going on by the people who want to be vaccinated. Maybe payola. I’m relatively healthy, and there are 4 80 year old women in my family that cannot get a vax in STL.

[fishinwrench]

I don't consider myself to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but nothing the government, or any of it's alphabet groups, has done lately seems very smart.   Even by MY standards.  And definitely none of it seems to be in my best interest.

So I'm gonna pass on taking their advise for as long as I'm legally able to, or until I'm convinced otherwise. 

[Al Agnew]

On 2/13/2021 at 7:20 PM, Ketchup said:

Al, i will play along with your statement. So with all of the testing, studies, etc. i have not read 1 single bit of information that proves that a worker, in a food establishment, can NOT in fact spread the virus to another via the container that the food was contained in. If that worker had a mask on, not properly worn, coughed in his hands just before handing it to the person taking the food home, then that person handles that container with bare hands, parks in the parking lot and starts eating that food “lets say tacos or any hand foods”, that it cannot be transferred to another. If you have evidence from a credible source, please share. Not from the gov’ment led CDC, or far left news media. An actual study devoted just to this topic. 

Well, I don't share your distrust of the CDC.  But how about the Mayo Clinic, University of CA-Davis, National Academies of Science?  All say, quoting, "There is no evidence" for the virus spreading through food, and no known cases where it was spread through eating food.  Like I said, and they all say, the virus is spread through respiratory droplets.  You simply can't get it by ingesting food, you have to breathe it in.  Does that mean that there are all these studies showing it ABSOLUTELY can't be spread by eating it?  Nope.  How are you going to study that, without having people eat food that somebody with Covid has just breathed on?  You can't prove a negative, by the way.  You can always prove that somebody DID get it through eating it.  But you can't prove that nobody ever did.

Just Google "can you catch Covid 19 from eating food?"  You'll get a whole lot of links saying you can't.  A few say that to be on the COMPLETELY safe side, to take the food out of the container it came in and into a clean container before eating it, and to wash your hands after handling the original container.  A couple sites say what I said, that there is a very slight possibility that you could get enough of the virus off the food container and onto your hands, and then put your fingers up to your nose or mouth and breathe in the virus.

[Dutch]

Al sometimes it just boils down to someone reaching way back, grabbing hold of their ears and pulling their head out of their posterior.  Until then you are wasting your time.

[Al Agnew]

On 2/13/2021 at 7:42 PM, Mitch f said:

Al, you’ve had 2 vaccines, are you sure that you wouldn’t be safe in a restaurant? It seems to me that you would be safe. 
 

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.  You can't be 100% safe, but the testing done on the Pfizer vaccine showed that out of 37,000 people tested, something like 4% did contract the virus but only one got a serious case.  It's not me that I'm worried about yet, it's the slight possibility that I could still contract it, and even if I had a mild case I could pass it on to someone else.  Our niece has asthma and other possible respiratory conditions that put her at higher risk, and so far has not been able to get the vaccine, and we really want to spend some time with her.  So I will still avoid dine-in restaurants for a while.

[Mitch f]

19 hours ago, Gavin said:

There is some serious gamesmanship going on by the people who want to be vaccinated. Maybe payola. I’m relatively healthy, and there are 4 80 year old women in my family that cannot get a vax in STL.

And my Pfizer stock has been pretty  blah blah

[Mitch f]

11 minutes ago, Al Agnew said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.  You can't be 100% safe, but the testing done on the Pfizer vaccine showed that out of 37,000 people tested, something like 4% did contract the virus but only one got a serious case.  It's not me that I'm worried about yet, it's the slight possibility that I could still contract it, and even if I had a mild case I could pass it on to someone else.  Our niece has asthma and other possible respiratory conditions that put her at higher risk, and so far has not been able to get the vaccine, and we really want to spend some time with her.  So I will still avoid dine-in restaurants for a while.

So I take it you’re not going to the Freezeout?!?