Double Improved Clinch Knot

[MrGiggles]

I'm like Wrench, Trilene with a couple extra turns for flouro, with a quick pass through the lips before cinching for a little lube, flouro will friction burn if you don't. 

Trilene is my go-to since it'll hold nearly 100% of rated strength with any line type, I'm not much of a boy scout, the Trilene and Albright are pretty much the only fishing knots I can tie off of memory. 

Only knot trouble I've ever had with flouro was with some 4lb Spiderwire, couldn't get a knot to hold with that stuff. That spool went in the trash. Flouro is not really a good choice for light spinning outfits anyway.

[Dutch]

58 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

 Flouro is not really a good choice for light spinning outfits anyway.

Will you please elaborate on this topic.  I’m interested in your perspective.

[rps]

7 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Your Yozuri Hybrid is (I think) a co-polomer.  Monofilament core, with a flourocarbon outer shell.   No?  

Yes

 

[MrGiggles]

1 hour ago, Dutch said:

Will you please elaborate on this topic.  I’m interested in your perspective.

I think I read somewhere that flouro was originally invented as leader line. Very abrasion resistant, invisible, low stretch. Those same qualities make it not so great for spinning outfits because of line twist and memory. Modern hybrid lines probably solve a lot of those problems, however, I haven't used them and can't really comment. 

All of my outfits use braid of some sort with a leader. I don't like respooling every couple months because of sun-rotted line, braid lasts for years, only takes a minute to tie on a new leader and be back to fishing.

My light setups have hi-vis 10lb braid and 4-6lb mono leaders, mediums have 10-20lb braid and an 8 or 10lb flouro/mono leader.

I tried Nanofil, the casting distance and sensitivity was impressive, but it's abrasion resistance was not good, and it would fatigue after a couple months just from running through the guides. I had to strip a couple hundred feet off to get fresh line that would hold a knot. It's like tying with a spider webs too, not very easy on a windy day.

[tjm]

I don't use knots that really need wetting, but I've read that lip balm does a better job than spit. Palomar is a good knot and so is the Pitzen, pita to tie imo, If you like the uni (or Duncan) an extra turn through the eye makes it the Fish N Fool contest winner. The Trilene knot is just another variation on the clinch.

Except for the math and physics (all knots must come in at less than 100%) this chart and list is interesting https://www.knotsforfishing.com/knot-strength-chart/ 

[Dutch]

2 hours ago, MrGiggles said:

I think I read somewhere that flouro was originally invented as leader line. Very abrasion resistant, invisible, low stretch. Those same qualities make it not so great for spinning outfits because of line twist and memory. Modern hybrid lines probably solve a lot of those problems, however, I haven't used them and can't really comment. 

All of my outfits use braid of some sort with a leader. I don't like respooling every couple months because of sun-rotted line, braid lasts for years, only takes a minute to tie on a new leader and be back to fishing.

My light setups have hi-vis 10lb braid and 4-6lb mono leaders, mediums have 10-20lb braid and an 8 or 10lb flouro/mono leader.

I tried Nanofil, the casting distance and sensitivity was impressive, but it's abrasion resistance was not good, and it would fatigue after a couple months just from running through the guides. I had to strip a couple hundred feet off to get fresh line that would hold a knot. It's like tying with a spider webs too, not very easy on a windy day.

That’s an interesting perspective.  I use Seaguar red label fluorocarbon.  I have it on 7 spinning setups (6# on 4 of them and 10# on 3).  I don’t have any trouble with it.  I have been using it for several years.  I will say that 10# is the max because of the stiffness of line greater than that.

[rps]

16 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

For gear I used to use a palomar knot now I use the shark knot.   Pulling the palomar tight seems to generate a lot of friction although I never had a problem.  I also use a non slip knot when called for. 
Fly fishing, I use a davey knot or loop knot with flouro flex plus. 

 

Samw knot with six twists instead of five

 

[dan hufferd]

On 5/30/2021 at 1:16 AM, fishinwrench said:

Berkley Vanish is the only fluorocarbon I've ever used that had unfavorable knot strength.....and that was many years ago.

I use Rio Flouroflex tippet when trout fishing, Seaguar InvisX for tippet when flyfishing for warmwater fish. 

For gear I use Seaguar or P-line flouro's in 6#-20# and have Never EVER had any knot issues at all.   Not even once that I can recall.  And I promise that I don't pussyfoot around with 'em. 

I usually am either attached with a 5 turn Trilene knot, figure 8 knot, or a No-Slip loop knot.   No complaints by me. 

A few of my buddies are diehard Polamar knot guys....which I only dislike because it wastes 2' of line every time. I never hear them cussing knot failure either. 

Your Yozuri Hybrid is (I think) a co-polomer.  Monofilament core, with a flourocarbon outer shell.   No?  

I use Seaguar or P-line flouro's in 6#-20#   I like these too. I like P-line mono in the green for shallow creeks pretty well. I always use a double uni knot for line to line( I'm used to it I guess) and a palomar knot to the lure. If I can't swing the lure through the loop, I used one of those clippy-thingy-majiggers.

[dan hufferd]

19 hours ago, MrGiggles said:

I think I read somewhere that flouro was originally invented as leader line. Very abrasion resistant, invisible, low stretch. Those same qualities make it not so great for spinning outfits because of line twist and memory. Modern hybrid lines probably solve a lot of those problems, however, I haven't used them and can't really comment. 

All of my outfits use braid of some sort with a leader. I don't like respooling every couple months because of sun-rotted line, braid lasts for years, only takes a minute to tie on a new leader and be back to fishing.

My light setups have hi-vis 10lb braid and 4-6lb mono leaders, mediums have 10-20lb braid and an 8 or 10lb flouro/mono leader.

I tried Nanofil, the casting distance and sensitivity was impressive, but it's abrasion resistance was not good, and it would fatigue after a couple months just from running through the guides. I had to strip a couple hundred feet off to get fresh line that would hold a knot. It's like tying with a spider webs too, not very easy on a windy day.

I love this ! Pretty much me as well. Durable and trouble free !

[nomolites]

2 hours ago, dan hufferd said:

I love this ! Pretty much me as well. Durable and trouble free !

X3

I will add that I have occasionally had trouble with line twist an straight flouro on spinning reels, and only run that way on my lightest rigs with 2-4# test and carry a spool of line “in case”.  
 

Mike