People Not Wanting To Work

[oneshot]

College and Hospitals are the same they know they will get their money.

I applied for grants. Got what I needed but had to pay it back.

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[Mitch f]

21 minutes ago, Quillback said:

No Shakespeare in college English?  Always thought that was a mainstay.

I remember being forced to read Merchant of Venice in high school.  My high school self would have been perfectly happy if Shakespeare had been expunged from the curriculum, man did I hate English class.

 

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/15/woke-teachers-want-shakespeare-cut-curriculum-abou/

 

Just one example of many. In California (I believe USC Berkeley) you can receive an English degree without having ever studied Shakespeare. The woke types are sure destroying our Universities  at an alarming rate.  

[SpoonDog]

1 hour ago, Mitch f said:

So throwing dollars towards diversity programs will somehow stop women being harassed and assaulted?  Treating females like garbage?  Students drinking to excess? Their parents should've taught them better. These matters are for the campus police or local law enforcement, not some overly funded feel good program. 

If better funded resources do stop some harassment and self harm, would that be so bad?  Students can violate university policy without breaking laws, campus police aren’t trained in handling mental health cases.  Saddling campus PD with those duties may be the cheapest option, doesn’t mean it’s the best.

maybe it’s a failure of imagination on my part, but I don’t believe every single college student is on their best behavior at all times because of what their parents, hours away, taught them. wasn’t my experience.  And a lot of mental health issues don’t manifest until late teens or 20s- schizophrenia, bipolar, depression.  But hey, let’s blame bad parenting. It’s certainly cheaper.
 

When I was in school, students services provided support groups for Iraq vets going back to school, as well.  Should those “feel good” services be cut, too?  If not, then it isn’t an issue of the services being provided.  You have a problem with who’s using them.

[SpoonDog]

14 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

 

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/15/woke-teachers-want-shakespeare-cut-curriculum-abou/

 

Just one example of many. In California (I believe USC Berkeley) you can receive an English degree without having ever studied Shakespeare. The woke types are sure destroying our Universities  at an alarming rate.  

So don’t go to USC! 
 

There’s five hundred universities out there offering English degrees, public and private, probably some which REQUIRE reading Shakespeare.  Heck, go to a school that allows you to craft your own major, and you can study Shakespeare exclusively.

I had to red Shakespeare in high school. Lots of folks did.  Maybe universities don’t require it because it’s already been covered.  Regardless, theres a thousand years of written language and I don’t think it’s a tragedy to have college English departments dig a lil deeper.

[Mitch f]

11 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

So don’t go to USC! 

I understand your point, but these universities are changing their curriculum all over the country almost as fast as the uptick in their tuition.

[Devan S.]

So we picked a public university in a liberal state and complained about their liberal bias?

We picked a degree with almost non-existent ROI and complained about what they teach?

I didn't even take English in College at Rolla.....I did have to take a speech class but my teacher was high as a kite most of the time and always talked about the illuminati and tupac. I also took a women in engineering class that was full of guys. Nerdy logic.

My calc 1 teacher was a dude....my calc 3 teacher was a female. They just so happened to be the same person....guess what he/she was the best math teacher there and stuck strictly to teaching math. Made zero difference to me I was there to learn the material and maybe the only reason I learned it vs. trying to take it watered down at CC. 

CofO basically locks freshman on campus. I hear you can learn to take care of farm animals there too.

Evangel shoves religion down your throat. 

University of Alabama only cares about football and siblings dating. 

The best thing about college is that nobody is forced to attend(at 18 years old your an adult). There is literally thousands of options to cover anything and everything(Trump University anyone). 

The go from nearly free to as expensive as you want. Almost nearly all of the costs are known upfront. You should have a good idea of your earning potential after graduation and live with your decisions. You can drop out anytime. 

You guys should quit complaining about colleges and start complaining about the employers that put out the silly requirements of a degree for non-degree'd jobs. Supply and demand.....without demand there will be no supply. 

 

[Mitch f]

7 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

So we picked a public university in a liberal state and complained about their liberal bias?

We picked a degree with almost non-existent ROI and complained about what they teach?

I didn't even take English in College at Rolla.....I did have to take a speech class but my teacher was high as a kite most of the time and always talked about the illuminati and tupac. I also took a women in engineering class that was full of guys. Nerdy logic.

My calc 1 teacher was a dude....my calc 3 teacher was a female. They just so happened to be the same person....guess what he/she was the best math teacher there and stuck strictly to teaching math. Made zero difference to me I was there to learn the material and maybe the only reason I learned it vs. trying to take it watered down at CC. 

CofO basically locks freshman on campus. I hear you can learn to take care of farm animals there too.

Evangel shoves religion down your throat. 

University of Alabama only cares about football and siblings dating. 

The best thing about college is that nobody is forced to attend(at 18 years old your an adult). There is literally thousands of options to cover anything and everything(Trump University anyone). 

The go from nearly free to as expensive as you want. Almost nearly all of the costs are known upfront. You should have a good idea of your earning potential after graduation and live with your decisions. You can drop out anytime. 

You guys should quit complaining about colleges and start complaining about the employers that put out the silly requirements of a degree for non-degree'd jobs. Supply and demand.....without demand there will be no supply. 

 

I agree with your last paragraph. We will see what its turned into when your beautiful little girl gets close to college. Hopefully you're saving up  for that.

[MrGiggles]

2 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

Cuts helped create the current system, Mitch.  As long as colleges are so reliant on tuition, they’re gonna have to offer all the bells and whistles needed to get butts in the seats.

 Don’t like it? Want cheaper tuition? Vote for folks that make funding secondary education a priority.  

Everyone wants cheap college, no one wants to pay for it.  Everyone wants to have their  cake and eat it, too.

 

I don't think it should be free, but it should be affordable. The days of working part time to put yourself through school are long gone for the most part.

5 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I should shut up.  You’re young and trying to work out your future and I don’t want to make it worse for you.  I think you are going to end up just fine. 

You know something?   When you first starting posting about mechanical stuff on here I thought you were much older.  Possibly retired.   You’re a very smart guy with instead wisdom.  You’ll figure it out.  I wish I could help you.  

I'm the one that should shut up, talking about a period of time that I wasn't even alive during. 

And thank you for the kind words.

[MrGiggles]

26 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

 

s you want. Almost nearly all of the costs are known upfront. You should have a good idea of your earning potential after graduation and live with your decisions. You can drop out anytime. 

The thing is, 17-18 year olds aren't known for exceptional forethought. You get a lot of students that find out partway through a degree that it's not for them, that job prospects are actually garbage instead of what they were told, or will not pay their debt in a reasonable amount of time. The end result is a student debt crisis.

I would also venture to guess that a significant percentage of that age group really do not actually have a good idea of what they want to do with their life. I know that a lot of my classmates were really only in school to be doing something productive, that was even a lot of the reason I was there. I should've just went to work for a couple years and got a plan together, instead of wasting time and money, hindsight being what it is. All I was told is "you're smart, go to school", and if you don't go now, you never will. 

Some are driven enough to have a good plan from the start and stick to it, which is very admirable, but it doesn't seem to be the majority in reality.

 

[Devan S.]

4 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

The thing is, 17-18 year olds aren't known for exceptional forethought. You get a lot of students that find out partway through a degree that it's not for them, that job prospects are actually garbage instead of what they were told, or will not pay their debt in a reasonable amount of time. 

I would also venture to guess that a significant percentage of that age group really do not actually have a good idea of what they want to do with their life. I know that a lot of my classmates were really only in school to be doing something.

Some are driven enough to have a good plan and stick to it, which is very admirable, but it doesn't seem to be all that common in reality.

 

You're right..... they don't have a lot of forethought but lack of forethought doesn't get you out of criminal trouble either. 

College isn't 100% the way. I darn sure knew I couldn't afford to go to Arkansas or Mizzou and earn my degree in afterschool activities and day drinking which is a lot of what the "going to school to be doing something or figuring out who I want to be" entails. 

People in that boat just need to get 4-5 roomies, part time jobs and do it....no need to spend $300+ a credit hour to "C's get degrees your way to a Bachelor's in Astrology"