LOZ Spooning has slowed a bit

[Ketchup]

1 hour ago, navery said:

Hah! Well you would have been correct except I read wrench's post wrong. After reading his first post he is correct. The two pictured in his 1st post are hybrids.  The two fish pictured in the post i quoted are pure striped bass. 

Oh my. You can correct him on those nasty merc motors, and him not wearing a life jacket, and also about his religious ways, but do not, i repeat do not correct him on his fish i.d, fish catching skills “or lack of it during our tournament together”, or his shooting skills. 

[fishinwrench]

3 hours ago, navery said:

Hah! Well you would have been correct except I read wrench's post wrong. After reading his first post he is correct. The two pictured in his 1st post are hybrids.  The two fish pictured in the post i quoted are pure striped bass. 

Right.  I was showing the difference between a hybrid mutt and an actual striper.  

These aren't recent stockers though, there has been no stocking of Striped bass in LO for 30 years.   During the Winter, and again in late Summer, several schools of 15-18" Stripers will make an appearance in the upper Gravois area.  They are never mixed with White bass, but will sometimes have a few mutts mixed in with them.   

The first indication that you've caught a mutt (white bass/hybrid-striper cross) is that as soon as you grab them they start vibrating like a sex toy (heart attack?), and if you stick your finger in its mouth there will be no tongue tooth patch (or patches) at all.  And most times if you throw it in the livewell, or release it, it will go belly-up and die within minutes, no matter how cool and oxygenated the water is.    The mutts are not very hardy at all.....which is the main reason their existence bothers me. 

Less hardy fish that die easily are successfully breeding with perfectly robust NATIVE fish.  And that doesn't feel like a good thing to have going on.  

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3 hours ago, navery said:

Hah! Well you would have been correct except I read wrench's post wrong. After reading his first post he is correct. The two pictured in his 1st post are hybrids.  The two fish pictured in the post i quoted are pure striped bass. 

Bummer!   I was hoping you were a biologist and going to prove him wrong.  Strictly for my entertainment mind you😂

[fishinwrench]

14 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Bummer!   I was hoping you were a biologist and going to prove him wrong.  Strictly for my entertainment mind you😂

I wish I could get a team of accredited fisheries biologists to TRY to prove me wrong.   And when they can't then I want them to halt the stocking of hybrid Stripers into waters with native white bass.   

It's probably too late though.  They've already effectively altered and destroyed the native white bass gene pool.   And that's a freakin' shame!    The consequences for doing something like that should be HUGE !

[navery]

9 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Right.  I was showing the difference between a hybrid mutt and an actual striper.  

These aren't recent stockers though, there has been no stocking of Striped bass in LO for 30 years.   During the Winter, and again in late Summer, several schools of 15-18" Stripers will make an appearance in the upper Gravois area.  They are never mixed with White bass, but will sometimes have a few mutts mixed in with them.   

The first indication that you've caught a mutt (white bass/hybrid-striper cross) is that as soon as you grab them they start vibrating like a sex toy (heart attack?), and if you stick your finger in its mouth there will be no tongue tooth patch (or patches) at all.  And most times if you throw it in the livewell, or release it, it will go belly-up and die within minutes, no matter how cool and oxygenated the water is.    The mutts are not very hardy at all.....which is the main reason their existence bothers me. 

Less hardy fish that die easily are successfully breeding with perfectly robust NATIVE fish.  And that doesn't feel like a good thing to have going on.  

Now you can put the coffee on. Incorrect, hybrids have a split tongue patch same as striped bass and they have been stocked recently. Mdc began stocking "leftover" stripers in LOZ when they finished their Bull Shoals stockings each year. This would have began in 2013. People catch a couple every year up at Truman dam during the spring run. There are some 20+lbers caught, very rarely albeit, in haha tonka usually in the middle of winter. I caught several "stockers" like the one pictured last summer in the Gravois while looking for hybrids.

[navery]

This was the same trip once i located the hybrids. Caught several but they were substantially smaller than what i find in Truman, which surprised me. 

[fishinwrench]

6 minutes ago, navery said:

Now you can put the coffee on. Incorrect, hybrids have a split tongue patch same as striped bass and they have been stocked recently.

I never said otherwise.   

What I said, was that "hybrid Striper/White bass mutts" have no toothpatch at all.  Not a single round one like a White, nor a double quotation-mark looking one like a Wiper.    Or if they do you can't feel it.   The tongue is slick and smooth all the way back to its throat.  

Just for clarity.....I am referring to the offspring from a male Hybrid Striper, and a female White bass.   

Biologists claim that female hybrid Stripers are sterile (for reasons of egg bouyancy and adhesion).....And I can't honestly dispute that even though I highly doubt it.   But I have personally watched male hybrids herd female whites to the surface and blow a cloud of jizz all over them.   Seen it happen, and I catch the results of it all the time.  Most folks I'm sure just assume they are White bass.....but they are different. It's fairly obvious if you do a lot of White bass fishing.  

[navery]

I am following you now. I cannot comment to that as i have never caught one like that, but am very interested in the topic. Please try and snap a photo next time you catch one. I agree with you that the stocked hybrids are probably not completely sterile like they say and have read a study that states there is some probability that there is some very limited reproduction by them. 

 

I also left out the part about on the particular scouting mission in the Gravois when i caught the pictured fish, i may have wandered to the very back where i locked eyes with an older silver haired man in a green metal boat with a fly rod fishing the small hump and channel that goes under the small bridge........

[fishinwrench]

Must have been a slow day.  I only hit that hump when I'm desperate for a bite and haven't done very well elsewhere.  

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1 hour ago, navery said:

older grey haired man in

FIFY😁