Are we ready?

[tjm]

It doesn't take 18 months to starve to death,  I think I read that the Russians turned to cannibalism in a few winter weeks during the wars. I suspect that the deaths will peak in the first month. Body disposal problems will make the cities unpleasant to stay in, even though they probably have more real survival resources than the country. Think of all edible pets.

Alternatives for fuel supply - the neighbors furniture, then their houses, insulation from the phone lines, car tires ect. We can't count on things like forest wood for fuel though because without power there will be no fuel for chainsaws nor for the trucks to haul it. When I was selling fire wood my customers burned an average of 8-12 tons per winter while using electricity as their built in heat. That's lot of hand saw work. Best to lay up a thousand tons or so in a dry place in preparation. 

[MOPanfisher]

I don't think scavenging will be easy even at first.  Look what happens now when a big storm is predicted or the whole COVID and toilet paper debacle.  And a true apocalyptic event people will turn quickly.  

[MrGiggles]

1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

I don't think scavenging will be easy even at first.  Look what happens now when a big storm is predicted or the whole COVID and toilet paper debacle.  And a true apocalyptic event people will turn quickly.  

Pretty much. Would only take a few dozen looters to empty the average Walmart of non-perishables. That is if some guys with firepower haven't banded together and claimed it as their own before anyone else can get to it.

[tjm]

Only a few Walmarts, and they run out of goods every day;  the scavengers will recognize that there are thousands of houses with supplies just waiting to be collected.

Comparing Covid and a total grid loss is kinda a peaches and mulberry thing, not too much in common.

[fishinwrench]

Once the power grid goes down, and computers can't tell anyone what to do anymore, the goody-two-shoes from the churches will release all the prisoners, and start caring for hospital and nursing home patients.

While the rednecks are raiding convenience stores , bars and liquor stores the prisoners will immediately raid all the hospitals, nursing homes, and pharmacies...... because they are the only ones that realize where all the truly beneficial stuff is.  And they'll use THAT to aquire everything else it takes to bring society back to life.   

Yep, the ones that have had nothing to do besides sit and think for several years are the ones who will be the new rulers.  And in the end, things will be running way better than they are NOW.    Guarantee it.     

[snagged in outlet 3]

9 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Once the power grid goes down, and computers can't tell anyone what to do anymore, the goody-two-shoes from the churches will release all the prisoners, and start caring for hospital and nursing home patients.

While the rednecks are raiding convenience stores , bars and liquor stores the prisoners will immediately raid all the hospitals, nursing homes, and pharmacies...... because they are the only ones that realize where all the truly beneficial stuff is.  And they'll use THAT to aquire everything else it takes to bring society back to life.   

Yep, the ones that have had nothing to do besides sit and think for several years are the ones who will be the new rulers.  And in the end, things will be running way better than they are NOW.    Guarantee it.     

Another Windyville prediction...😂