Is This The New Normal

[Terrierman]

13 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

Sorry to break it to you old guys, but delayed gratification is becoming a thing of the past. It's sad really because those are the principles I was taught and it is the way that I work. But most employers are headed in the other direction. Where they try to squeeze more and more out of people, while giving less and less. 

It's happened to people I know.

It happened in the company I worked for before and it's happening in the company that I work for now. 

It's happening in the company that my wife has worked at for the past 30 years. That 30 years means absolutey nothing to them.

 

It's a different world than it used to be. And if we follow the credance being set by succesful CEOs, nobody should spend any of their time working for free. 

However, I know there are still some great people to work for out there. People that will see that benefit and take care of people. Those are the great places to work. 

I hear that but can't buy it carte blanche.  I'm sure there is a mix.  I know I never worked anywhere I didn't feel I was treated fairly overall.

[oneshot 1]

3 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

Sorry to break it to you old guys, but delayed gratification is becoming a thing of the past. It's sad really because those are the principles I was taught and it is the way that I work. But most employers are headed in the other direction. Where they try to squeeze more and more out of people, while giving less and less. 

It's happened to people I know.

It happened in the company I worked for before and it's happening in the company that I work for now. 

It's happening in the company that my wife has worked at for the past 30 years. That 30 years means absolutey nothing to them.

 

It's a different world than it used to be. And if we follow the credance being set by succesful CEOs, nobody should spend any of their time working for free. 

However, I know there are still some great people to work for out there. People that will see that benefit and take care of people. Those are the great places to work. 

I don't know my son got fired for doing too good and making too much money. 

oneshot 

[Terrierman]

7 hours ago, oneshot 1 said:

I don't know my son got fired for doing too good and making too much money. 

oneshot 

I want to hear the rest of this story.🙃

[Lancer09]

On 3/24/2025 at 9:50 AM, Terrierman said:

Ever hear of delayed gratification?  What goes around comes around.  And that's a fact Jack.

I have worked for free a LOT in my life. 

For multiple years in a row I was on call or at work 300+ days a year. I was not paid to be on call.. That was just part of the job. I have taken work calls while playing Left Center in mens league softball, while in a deer stand, the turkey woods, and played one handed in a sand volleyball league. All of these things were done because someone else didn't do their job, or adults couldn't handle themselves maturely.
I answered questions on my honeymooon that I wasn't paid for because my supervisor wasn't prepared for my absence even though he had all the tools needed. 

I have put in the extra work. The ONLY thing it has earned me.... is more work. I've been looked over for promotions, trained new supervisors, and then watched them leave again for better opportunities. I've been told straight up that I wasn't even going to get interviews for certain positions because I didn't fit a "criteria" that the employer was looking to hire. I won't air those grievances here, but will gladly explain in a private message. 

IF you want the work force to be loyal to the employer, the employer needs to be loyal to the worker. 
I've seen that missing. I've devoted most of my working life to public service, and when people say it is a thankless job, it really can be. There is a reason that a lot of people wash out, and it's not lack of skill or capability. 

[Terrierman]

I don't think any of us are going to change anyone's mind on this subject.  We clearly have different life and work experiences and our views reflect them.

[oneshot 1]

14 hours ago, Terrierman said:

I want to hear the rest of this story.🙃

He was selling Bingo cards and stuff making couple hundred thousand dollars a year.

They decided that was too much for one guy so they got two or three guys much cheaper. 

He now has his own Bingo Hall but is about to lose it because he had a shooting and lost his liquor license. 

He is thinking of going to work in California.

oneshot 

 

[BilletHead]

3 hours ago, oneshot 1 said:

He was selling Bingo cards and stuff making couple hundred thousand dollars a year.

They decided that was too much for one guy so they got two or three guys much cheaper. 

He now has his own Bingo Hall but is about to lose it because he had a shooting and lost his liquor license. 

He is thinking of going to work in California.

oneshot 

 

    https://youtu.be/NwzaxUF0k18?si=PHe6jO0uwQe7Vx0h

[MrGiggles]

On 3/24/2025 at 10:38 AM, Flysmallie said:

Sorry to break it to you old guys, but delayed gratification is becoming a thing of the past. It's sad really because those are the principles I was taught and it is the way that I work. But most employers are headed in the other direction. Where they try to squeeze more and more out of people, while giving less and less. 

It's happened to people I know.

It happened in the company I worked for before and it's happening in the company that I work for now. 

It's happening in the company that my wife has worked at for the past 30 years. That 30 years means absolutey nothing to them.

 

It's a different world than it used to be. And if we follow the credance being set by succesful CEOs, nobody should spend any of their time working for free. 

However, I know there are still some great people to work for out there. People that will see that benefit and take care of people. Those are the great places to work. 

The post office is a good example of this. In 2010, after the great recession, new pay scales were created for new hires after that date.

Pre-2010, part time pay was double or more minimum wage. I believe it went from $20 an hour to $15, at that time. 

The pay steps for regulars went to taking 10 years to top out, to 13 as well. And that doesn't include your time as a part timer, which can be up to a decade for some. Retirement contributions also went down. 

The city carrier union spent the better of two years "negotiating" their next contract. They proposed taking three steps off the bottom of the pay scale, and the typical 1.3% raise. Membership voted it down, it went to arbitration, they gave us 1.5%, and just took two steps off. UAW gets 25%, UPS gets 18-20%, dock workers get 62% in their contracts. They got 1.5%.... 

It's a race to the bottom, seems like. There's a reason why the postal service has gotten so bad.

[dblades]

Government employees have no business being unionized. I'm not anti union, my Dad  and multiple relatives did well working union jobs. 

[snagged in outlet 3]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:03 AM, Lancer09 said:

I have worked for free a LOT in my life. 

For multiple years in a row I was on call or at work 300+ days a year. I was not paid to be on call.. That was just part of the job. I have taken work calls while playing Left Center in mens league softball, while in a deer stand, the turkey woods, and played one handed in a sand volleyball league. All of these things were done because someone else didn't do their job, or adults couldn't handle themselves maturely.
I answered questions on my honeymooon that I wasn't paid for because my supervisor wasn't prepared for my absence even though he had all the tools needed. 

I have put in the extra work. The ONLY thing it has earned me.... is more work. I've been looked over for promotions, trained new supervisors, and then watched them leave again for better opportunities. I've been told straight up that I wasn't even going to get interviews for certain positions because I didn't fit a "criteria" that the employer was looking to hire. I won't air those grievances here, but will gladly explain in a private message. 

IF you want the work force to be loyal to the employer, the employer needs to be loyal to the worker. 
I've seen that missing. I've devoted most of my working life to public service, and when people say it is a thankless job, it really can be. There is a reason that a lot of people wash out, and it's not lack of skill or capability. 

You need to find a good sales job with an uncapped commision plan...