Al Agnew Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 12 minutes ago, Flysmallie said: And you don't know that she is the lesser of two evils. You are just assuming that she is. Vote for whoever you want. I don't care. But that woman is no leader. Period. Sure, I don't KNOW that she's the lesser of two evils. You don't KNOW she isn't a leader. You'll notice I have pretty much qualified all my statements with "I think", "I suspect", etc. We make what we think is the best choice based upon, hopefully, a lot of paying attention to both sides. I've listened to Trump's speeches and statements (not just what somebody said he said, or cherrypicked a piece of what he said), and I've read what I can of his history. It isn't very pretty to me. As I said, I've seen zero evidence from his statements and actions that he can handle the job. I think Hillary is by far the safer bet.
SpoonDog Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 25 minutes ago, Smalliebigs said: I just can't believe that anyone could say either one of these turd bags are good based on their past experience..... I'm not a fan of Hillary, but there is something to be said for stability. If you don't have a job, if you're not looking for a job, if you're not planning on getting a job in the next four years or you're looking to go overseas for a job, I can understand how Trump may be a viable option. Whether Trump likes it or not our economy and our politics are entwined with the rest of the world's. Our economy's still pretty lethargic and many haven't recovered from the last recession- we're handing a hamster to an imbecile and hoping for the best. That, and I get the impression Trump is playing checkers while Putin's playing chess. The guy's singular foreign policy achievement is booting little old ladies off their land in Scotland. Whether you think Trump's qualified or not, you can't argue his presidency would be throwing an amateur onto the global stage at a time both China and Russia are taking stronger and more aggressive positions. If he's only half as hapless a President as he is an event planner, it leaves a tremendous power vacuum for those two nations to exploit.
Old plug Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 Well Al I agree but I have also noted that most political conversation on this forum are infiltrated by race issues I THINK. You see the Clintons were leaders in civil rights. So it goes without saying she is tight with Obama and therefore is worthy of any and all the scorn these people can muster. Both she and Obama should be praise for how well they handled all he allegations thrown at them. I am for giving her a chance if she is elected. Trump has been nothing but crazy talking. I look forward to debates between the two. I hate to say this but at times I wonder how many of these people on this forum hang white hoods in their closets.
Mitch f Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 I don't like Trump at all, but I think he really has the Country's best interest at heart. Even though he's a inarticulate bull in a China shop. He wants to make America great again. So, in other words he's wants to go back to the days when we were a charging economy, and a nation to be respected. Hillary, on the other hand doesn't like the way things are, and wants to change everything to her "uptopia" on earth. If you told your wife you loved her but wanted her to change her hair, her personality, her figure, her attitudes, to make her the way you wanted her to be, do you really love your wife? I'm sure your wife wouldn't think so. When Hillary looked at those parents who's sons were just killed in Benghazi, and lied to their faces, strictly for political reasons, I have absolutely zero respect for her as a human being. It seems another 4 years of her would be a horrible continuation of the last 8, which has been a disaster from my perspective. Trump is an unknown, no doubt. And like Al said, he doesn't seem to be able to articulate well what his plans are. And it's a little scary for sure. I'm willing to take the risk to vote for him because what we've got now is so darn bad. And I refuse to leave my kids a country worse off than what was given to me. tho1mas and BilletHead 2 "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
DADAKOTA Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 In addition to Benghazi and all else she has done I can not vote for someone who contends they didn't know it was a bad idea to conduct government business on an unsecured non-government server outside the federal firewall. Fed employees from day one are instructed to protect information, avoid unauthorized disclosures, not use personal email on govt. computers, and you are not allowed to attach your computer to any non govt. issued printer, drive, disc, thumb dive, etc. She must be a complete MORON or believe she is above the law. Mitch f 1
Mitch f Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 24 minutes ago, DADAKOTA said: In addition to Benghazi and all else she has done I can not vote for someone who contends they didn't know it was a bad idea to conduct government business on an unsecured non-government server outside the federal firewall. Some of the same folks who are bashing Trump for making rookie mistakes and flubs while running his campaign, and are saying, "if he can't even run a campaign, how can he run a country?" Need to remember Hillary's email scandal that shows complete disregard for security of sensitive information. It also shows how many times she lied from the cover up. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
MOPanfisher Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 I will refrain from typing the comment I really want to in response to the white hoods in the closet. Hillarys past is her biggest problem for her and Trump is certainly his own biggest enemy. If he were a politician and willing to say and do the things he theoretically should at this point the election would be over, but doing the politically correct this is not how he got the.nomination, sometimes though I wish he would get some elective surgery and have a brain/mouth filter installed. Trump supposedly has some information on his website that isn't bad but I haven't had time to look through it. Hillarys first plans are to pass some common sense gun legislation, I am all for.common sense gun legislation, but I suspect that we would vehemently disagree on what common sense legislation is. I honestly don't believe President ObaMA has been all that bad, he has used very few Executive Orders, and those did little to nothing. He has not used the office of President as a bully pulpit, and by and large has been a very decent human being, foreign olicy has been a disaster and the ACA, while doing some good has certainly raised the cost of healthcare. Ever notice the one large group that never had a bad word to say about the ACA, the insurance company lobby, basically guaranteed them a profit. I don't believe Trump will be as bad as I sometimes fear he will and I believe Hillary will be worse than i fear, and would use the power of the office to force her will on the american people, which is not the job of the president, their job is to work for the good of the nation. The email scandal was never going anywhere from day 1, too much influence and the fact that others have used outside email servers before doomed it. The die hard liberals will vote Hillary, the die hard conservatives will vote Donald and as always the issue will be decided by the undecided. I wonder if voter turn out will be low due or high this cycle and how that will play into the results.
Old plug Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 I really think Clinton had little to do with what happened in Benghazi. I think the attackers just knew how and the value of faints They did it several times of attack before they did the actual assault. I bet just like Pearl Harbour the fault was with some medium level officier in the field who either felt it was just another same old same old or he was concerned with the evidence and was reluctant too cry wolf until he was 100 percent sure. Because if he was wrong it was going to reflect on he career. In short they pulled the wool over our eyes. That is what happens in wars and battles. As far as the server goes she was not the the first one to do that. Just remember this day in age of what is becoming a cyber war nothing can ever be considered safe. As fast as you secure them the break them down. A federal firewall or any other kind is really nothing more than a target for hackers. Nothing is safe.
SpoonDog Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mitch f said: Some of the same folks who are bashing Trump for making rookie mistakes and flubs while running his campaign, and are saying, "if he can't even run a campaign, how can he run a country?" Need to remember Hillary's email scandal that shows complete disregard for security of sensitive information. It also shows how many times she lied from the cover up. There's a gulf between the FBI's actual findings and Hillary's interpretation of the FBI's findings, and that's one of my biggest complaints against her, too. Doing what she did I simply don't believe she genuinely thinks the rules apply to her, and I don't understand how she can say whistleblowers like Snowden or Manning should be prosecuted when she's left the country just as vulnerable. But if you really and truly believe national security is such a high priority, it makes no rational sense to endorse the guy imploring Russian Intelligence to break into the account of a former senator and secretary of state. I'm as curious as anyone what's in those deleted emails, and I'd hazard a guess some is pretty incriminating. But I have no evidence of that, neither does the FBI, neither does Donald Trump. That's what he's asking though- that an extrajudicial activity, a crime, be committed against an American citizen, on the basis of zero evidence of wrongdoing. Regardless of party affiliation or how much you despise Hillary, reasonable people should be able to agree that crosses a line. his is before the man has ever been elected to office, before he's ever been privy to sensitive national security intelligence. If he cannot perform responsibly at the candidate level, there's absolutely no reason to believe he'd be able to perform responsibly as President.
Hog Wally Posted July 29, 2016 Posted July 29, 2016 7 hours ago, Old plug said: Well Al I agree but I have also noted that most political conversation on this forum are infiltrated by race issues I THINK. You see the Clintons were leaders in civil rights. So it goes without saying she is tight with Obama and therefore is worthy of any and all the scorn these people can muster. Both she and Obama should be praise for how well they handled all he allegations thrown at them. I am for giving her a chance if she is elected. Trump has been nothing but crazy talking. I look forward to debates between the two. I hate to say this but at times I wonder how many of these people on this forum hang white hoods in their closets. Seriously ?
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