Terrierman Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Folks, it's less about the docks than the shoreline development that more docks will bring. And there is where a significant portion of adverse water quality effects come from. Fight this tooth and nail.
Champ188 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Phil Lilley said: I'm actually surprised a lot of the usual TR patrons have not rung in on this. They must be out fishing... I think a lot of us are just sadly aware that big money will prevail. And that common sense and integrity hardly matter anymore. That was proven in the presidential election of 2008 and again in 2012. And likely will be proven yet again in a couple of weeks. Strength in numbers may have mattered at one time, but the only numbers that matter anymore are the ones with dollar signs in front of them. JMO. abkeenan, terryj1024, vernon and 3 others 6
MOPanfisher Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 There is no question that having a dock or a slip in a dock increased you property value, as does having a clear view to the lake. I don't believe if Long/Blunt get their way that it would be an unrestricted permitting process, there would still have to be some placement control, i.e. you couldn't just place a dock anywhere. Similar things have been tried before and usually get shot down before they pass, however in a year like this one, I wouldn't even hazard a guess where this one will end up.
MOPanfisher Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I tried to find the actual wording of the amendment, as I am not a very trusting person, especially where politicians are incolved. so far all I have been able to find is Billy Longs articles and explanation. IF it is as he described it might not be as bad as I feared, his description is that it would basically lift the current moratorium, and delay the Shoreline Management Plan update for 5 years, it would basicall return to things to the former SMP rules, doesn't sound like it would be a free for all. however it would through out all the planning, work, public comments received so far and force a re-start from scratch, kicking the can down the road so to speak, and wasting the last 2 years or so of work. sounds like a well thought out idea right? again anymore I don't trust any politicians, I will.continue to.search for the actual wording, if someone better than I finds it please post it up or at least a link. Might have found it.https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/house-amendment/1449?q={"search"%3A["hr+5303"]} bassinjackson 1
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted October 27, 2016 Author Root Admin Posted October 27, 2016 At the end of title I, insert the following: SEC. __. TABLE ROCK LAKE, ARKANSAS AND MISSOURI. (a) In General.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary-- (1) shall include a 60-day public comment period for a Table Rock Lake Master Plan and Table Rock Lake Shoreline Management Plan revision; and (2) shall not finalize a revision for the Table Rock Lake Master Plan and Table Rock Lake Shoreline Management Plan during the 5-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this Act. (b) Shoreline Use Permits.--During the period described in subsection (a)(2), the Secretary shall lift or suspend the moratorium on the issuance of new, and modifications to existing, shoreline use permits based on the existing Table Rock Lake Master Plan and Table Rock Lake Shoreline Management Plan. (c) Study.-- (1) In general.--The Secretary shall-- (A) carry out a study on the need to revise permit fees relating to Table Rock Lake to better reflect the cost of issuing those fees and achieve cost savings; and (B) submit to Congress a report on the results of the study described in subparagraph (A). (2) Requirement.--The Secretary shall complete the study under paragraph (1)(A) before adopting any revision to the Table Rock Lake Shoreline Management Plan. The Acting CHAIR. Pursuant to House Resolution 892, the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Long) and a Member opposed each will control 5 minutes. The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Missouri. Mr. LONG. Mr. Chairman, Table Rock Lake, near Branson, Missouri, is one of the premier destinations in the Ozarks, especially for my constituents in the Seventh Congressional District. The Army Corps of Engineers is currently undertaking a revision of the lake's Shoreline Management Plan and has in place a moratorium on dock permits to halt development around the lake. What this means is, if you purchased a home or land in this area with the hopes of putting in a dock, you can no longer do so. If you already have a dock and it needs to be updated, you can't even update it. I have met with the Corps and the lake community throughout this process, and the overwhelming consensus from my constituents is that their voices are not being heard on this issue that will have far- reaching effects for those living on the lake and for its economy. My amendment would extend the public comment period to ensure that those directly impacted by the shoreline plan will have a say in it. My amendment also lifts the moratorium on dock permits and extends the timeframe of the final plan to ensure that the Corps has enough time to incorporate the community's concerns into its updated plan. I am proud to work with Senator Blunt and Chairman Shuster on this commonsense issue. I urge my colleagues to support my amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time. The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Long). The amendment was agreed to. The Acting CHAIR. It is now in order to consider amendment No. 14 printed in House Report 114-790.
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted October 27, 2016 Author Root Admin Posted October 27, 2016 What this means is, if you purchased a home or land in this area with the hopes of putting in a dock, you can no longer do so. If you already have a dock and it needs to be updated, you can't even update it. @Jeremy Rasnick is this right? Can't update an existing dock?
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted October 27, 2016 Author Root Admin Posted October 27, 2016 Got an answer. You can't make modifications or add slips changing the footprint while under the moratorium. That's reasonable. You couldn't do any of that without permission or an amended permit without the moratorium. Browning Guy 1
motoman Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 11 hours ago, Phil Lilley said: I sent out a bulk email to all OAF members. Last email I sent out was 9/2014. I received nothing either; but also receive notifications from other members or new topics via e-mail.
Browning Guy Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 $Long and $$$Blunt, Rather than saying "my constituents" please say it like it really is...... what you mean is "my donors". Anytime a law maker says "common sense" I shutter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Roy Blunt or his son Matt Blunt caught up in the failed development just east of Branson West? The development down in the gully below the large arrowhead sign, Indian Ridge?? vernon 1
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