AMERICAN CARP SOCIETY, the Trout unlimited of carp angling

[MoCarp]

2 hours ago, tjm said:

They been dead for how many years?

Hardly

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Last activity they mention in the 'about us' is IGFA hair rig approval. Jan-Feb 2007?

They have been active, carp tourneys, some others growing the importing of Carp Kit as they say

the timing of a new "push' so to speak is pretty much outlined by their mission statement 

The American Carp Society was formed in 2002, with the goal of promoting and educating the public on the sport of specimen Carp Fishing in the USA.

The Common Carp (Cyprinus Carpio) is one of the hardest fighting freshwater fish in the world and is now being pursued by anglers of all persuasions, from fly fisherman to dedicated Specialist Carp anglers as a sport fish.

The American Carp Society is a membership based organization and is responsible for promoting the sport and ensuring careful stewardship of both the specimen fish and its environment.

[MoCarp]

because of social media like FB and YouTube, the next generation of anglers are stepping up....like in all things today mainstream media can't control "the message" any longer... like this video on 4 young men, 2 brits-2 american...an entertaining look at angling

 

 

[Mitch f]

2 hours ago, tjm said:

You got me Chief, not even aware of either group til now. He said a relaunch, that to me indicates some interval of inactivity.

What is  MSA?

I think he meant the MDC

[tjm]

nah, after a bit of guess and search I think he meant this bunch: http://www.missourismallmouthalliance.org/home.html 

 

So, there is no "relaunch" just hype for the youngins on social media   to  generate  more funds ?  Launch indicates getting it afloat to begin with and relaunch indicates it either ran aground or was careened. When I asked the question above I thought you'd have a story to tell about how they fell on hard times or something, now it sounds like just  a bid for attention.

It was  sorta asked above "how many lawn chairs" , but I'll come out with it, at this moment how many paying members in the American Carp Society? And just for sake of curiosity, how many of those are American?

It seems that every thing about carp is referenced to EUROPE Europe this Europeans that European countries involved in the big contest  in NY way back Europe etc.   Truth be told there ain't any such animal as an American carp, we got invasive carp from two or three different places one of which is Europe.

Biggest claim I found on your website was the 202 people from 17 countries competed for 1 million Dollar purse for breaking the NY State record as well as $50,000 in cash and prizes of 2 Chevrolet Colorado trucks.  For a million bucks we could easily get more people than that involved in a bullhead contest or even a carp shooting contest. Americans too, I bet.  2005 was 12 years ago.

[fishinwrench]

Um Um Um What?   Chevrolet is a sponsor of the American Carp Society?

I'm hurt

 

[MoCarp]

11 minutes ago, tjm said:

So, there is no "relaunch" just hype for the youngins on social media   to  generate  more funds ?  Launch indicates getting it afloat to begin with and relaunch indicates it either ran aground or was careened. When I asked the question above I thought you'd have a story to tell about how they fell on hard times or something, now it sounds like just  a bid for attention.

The co-founders don't need money...they could just travel the country or even the world living a life only handful ever get the opportunity to enjoy, yet they wish to share the things that have made their lives full, perhaps it is the attitudes of the carp haters that warrant such efforts. I am sure the Lindners got into fishing because hey loved it, the fame and fortune...passion not greed drives this.....I also respect the show of faith that the Lindners have chosen in resent years

 

19 minutes ago, tjm said:

It was  sorta asked above "how many lawn chairs" , but I'll come out with it, at this moment how many paying members in the American Carp Society? And just for sake of curiosity, how many of those are American?

I can tell you the bulk of Euro Carp Anglers in the US are born here and like you grew up fishing for bass or trout, crappie the typical things most fish for,... everyone has their "how I got hooked on carp" story........ numbers wise, out of our 4 state area I know of only 3, our Missouri CAG state chair is Kirk Stoudemire, he is also the head Veterinarian for the Kansas city Zoo an interesting person and keen to share his passion of euro carp fishing

...the majority of the Carpers are not Milwaukee's best swilling, rummage sale lawn chair sitting, stereotypes of carp anglers of the past

34 minutes ago, tjm said:

It seems that every thing about carp is referenced to EUROPE Europe this Europeans that European countries involved in the big contest  in NY way back Europe etc.   Truth be told there ain't any such animal as an American carp, we got invasive carp from two or three different places one of which is Europe.

The same can be said of most all people in the USA, I am sure your roots go back to Europe...and we have several invasives here in Missouri, you can look them up on the ICNU list

Brown Trout (Salmo trutta) Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) Largemouth Bass(Micropterus salmoides) are listed as some of the worst world wide, Ring-necked Pheasants (Phasianus colchicus) ironically from China are also on the list......

43 minutes ago, tjm said:

Biggest claim I found on your website was the 202 people from 17 countries competed for 1 million Dollar purse for breaking the NY State record as well as $50,000 in cash and prizes of 2 Chevrolet Colorado trucks.  

Biggest prize paid out to my knowledge is $250k in 05 or 06...in the USA...every summer their are contests in the carp "pay-lakes" in on the east coast, payouts over $10k.....too many to keep track of....it should be said its not the competition like in our bass tourneys here that drives people to fish for carp..its a whole different animal...its closer to why people fly fish for trout (and carp)...its a personal challenge, chasing named fish that become so wary it may only get caught once in a decade...commons can live 50 years under ideal conditions....the timing of this relaunch is clear we have grown to a tipping point....so much has changed since my first euro rod I bought from Cabela's all those years ago

[SpoonDog]

My grandpa built the Back Pond in the late 1960s and for the longest time it never held water the way it should- he ran pigs through it, ran cows through it, all in an effort to stir up enough clay to seal it up.  He wound up throwing a couple carp in there a week or two before the moon landing in 1969,  figuring they'd root up enough mud to finally seal the thing.

My dad snagged one of them on a little cleo when I was maybe nine or ten.  I started calling them Al and Buzz because I figured Neil got the most attention and mistakenly thought Shepard was on Apollo 11.  I caught one once, as a teenager, and I never fished for them again although I still see them as dark spots in the pond or rooting around willows and water marigold rooting up bugs or looking to spawn.  I just watch them now.  You don't stab pets.

[Chief Grey Bear]

7 hours ago, tjm said:

nah, after a bit of guess and search I think he meant this bunch: http://www.missourismallmouthalliance.org/home.html 

Yep. 

Its an east coast bass club masquerading as a conservation organization. 

For a $20 per year entry fee, you can fish with them.

[tjm]

Chief, it has been my impression for many years that most "conservation" organizations are either in it for the money or are anti-consumptive use/animal rights people  telling me the hunting will be better if I don't hunt and the fishing will be better if I don't fish. Doesn't make large difference which coast they come from. Some are even home grown.  I even donated to some of those groups back in my youth.  Yes, I saw where they were doing best fishing of your life trips in groups of 40, imho, 40  anglers on any stretch of stream is way less than a best fishing day.

[tjm]

MoC, Chinese ringnecks are invasive indeed and I place them with carp as a species that should be regulated as see and kill, no season/no limit, like carp they don't actually seem to do real well in the Ozarks.  I have personally never seen a feral  pheasant in Mo.

German trout are not invasive in Mo. our coldest springs are too warm at their spawning times, we could say that Pacific trout are somewhat invasive, they do reproduce in a few streams. They are limited to those few streams though, they have been introduced in nearly all Ozark streams at some time in the past and have never succeeded.

It could likely be argued that whitetail deer are invasive in parts of the Ozarks, as savanna would not have been the ideal habitat for them. 

Problem with you bringing other invasives to the argument is that they have no bearing on carp. Justifying a bad thing by saying there are other bad things is just a an evasion. Because Jesse James became a hero to some by stealing from others, do you advocate raising all our children to rob strangers? Stick to the carp. All carp, not just the German carp, because Germans are just as good or bad as Chinese or Japanese carp; they are all equal in being foreign. 

They are here now, we can't extirpate them from all our waters at this point. But because 20 people or 1000 people have fun catching the same fish twice and naming it is no reason to keep 10,000 or a million people from having fun killing that same fish on sight.

If you want advocate for protection of carp, you need to establish that they are endangered and that the loss of carp would adversely impact our environment in general. Don't attempt to put the burden of that proof of the public, you stated that the big Carpguy has lots of money and wants to share, so let him/them pay. I would even donate some for restoration, if they can show that American carp exist and are in danger.

Need to do the relaunch right, change the name to "The Eurocarp Society of America", more impact with truth in advertising. Give out a hundred bucks worth of Carp tackle with every membership. $500 in Carp tackle with lifetime commitment.