FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

[MoCarp]

4 hours ago, Quillback said:

you're not helping your carp cause by antagonizing people and making up BS.

what BS?

 

2 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

$16.50 was the cheapest I saw for a carp ticket, going up to $100+ for the cherry spots.  Trout/salmon went $45-$100+.  I didn't see an option where you could still fish if you didn't want to pay, which I'm guessing means some significant percentage of that Six Billion Pound economic benefit is tied up in ticket costs.  Tickets that wouldn't be sold here.  Money that wouldn't be made here. 

I would not know to what % that paying to fish counts to that number..I already know of places here that have been build  to what is seen in the UK..they have been stocked and the fish with take 4-5 years to develop....if thats the way it happens here will depend on a lot of factors...only time will tell....but ether way it will be a significant number spent

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:"If we let MoCarp tell people how much fun it is to catch carp, Everyone will want too, then we will be outnumbered & they will treat them just like bass & walleyes"

wasn't it you that said this on the Nebraska forum? or was it the Iowa Forum..no it was the bow-fishing forum? if it wasn't you it was someone with your same mentality

 

2 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

You're your own worst enemy, MOCarp.  I can open a fishing magazine or log onto Facebook, Instagram and find people doing what you're trying to do- just better.  No cut/paste and light on the poorly edited YouTube videos, no justifying carp fishing through harebrained analyses of economic or ecological impact, or misinformed comparisons to other species.  No belittling of others- two adults disagreeing just means they disagree, it doesn't mean one is a clandestine bowfishing agent or that they gleefully huck carp onto the bank.  That someone doesn't agree lockstep with your position- especially if that position is predicated on BS- doesn't make them an enemy.  That someone is willing to call you out on BS doesn't make them an enemy, and I'm sorry you see the world that way.

well its easy to say something is BS when you are not specific I said 100s of 1000s of pounds of carp are taken out of formally great carp fishing spots I post a link where 287k was taken in  one weekend yet thats BS?...or that YOY carp are a more nutritious food as a prey item than rainbow trout...(meaning fish get fat eating them) long before OAF was around I posted a pic of a local carp spot that I had chummed up..low and behold...a empty can of sweet corn left right where I sat...and 3 dead carp "hucked" on the bank rotting with flies

you can call BS all you want..but it makes you uncomfortable to be wrong on old carp myths...when they slammed the gates shut on on Table rock lake for the 1st time carp swam in the white river..been there 140 years...fishing was pretty good and still is good...the fact that some places dump their poop water in TR or the hundreds of septic tanks now flow into TR now VS when the lake was 1st impounded..makes its the carps fault water quality has degraded? or that the huge boat wake issues cause bank erosion? these are issues that most lakes use to justify killing off the carp... the renovation industry is just that a self fulfilling..if you read the Nebraska forum you saw where they killed off the 3 best ranked lake in the state...and some got pissed over it...I link all my claims and observations...

or that Przemek Bajer Phd one of the head researchers on common carp controls at the University of Minnesota, started a side company that does carp removals for the multitude of natural lakes in the upper midwest...no need for a foil hat....no BS...

2 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

That leads us to my last point.  I'm not ignoring you because, quite frankly, a lot of the things you say about carp (their ecological importance, economic importance, etc) is just simply BS.  If it were just BS I wouldn't have an issue- but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers your BS is true, that BS will have measurable consequences on state agencies and the management of other fisheries,

EXACTLY so lets drop the pretense and drop the tail gate and see who's dog trees 1st......

[Gavin]

86 this loser.

 

 

[SpoonDog]

12 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I would not know to what % that paying to fish counts to that number..

A lot.  Because the rods,the reels, the little slingshot deal, the rod holders, the bite alarms, the net, the sling, and the mini trampoline job are effectively one-time purchases.  The hooks, the line, the weights, the High Nutrient Boilies...you're purchasing them once every few trips.  You're purchasing the $15, $50, $100+ ticket every trip. 

 

Gar aren't carp, trout aren't carp, trout and carp don't often live in the same places, that there's no causal relationship between carp harvest and population declines or between carp fishing and trophy bass angling.  But I'm not interested in re-litigating old topics.  I'm not interested in the regurgitated talking points that carp have been around for 140 years (as though that means they're native, or that they've had no impact) or that carp are more nutritious than trout (as though bass have the option in most places).  It doesn't matter.  It didn't matter the first time you said it, it doesn't matter the tenth time you say it, it won't matter the hundredth time.  If you don't understand that, it isn't my problem.  If you don't understand the disservice you're doing to your cause, it isn't my problem. 

 

But if you're that intransigent, completely unwilling to look at the issue from anyone's perspective except your own...I have no idea why you're on a discussion forum. 

[Quillback]

1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

what BS?

 

This is BS

they are there, you just don't notice them....and thats for good reason..the LAST thing you want to do is show your lumping grounds to get shot up.

 

[Quillback]

Additional BS:

then why the hate on carp or better carp fishing for those of us that do?

[MoCarp]

5 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

A lot.  Because the rods,the reels, the little slingshot deal, the rod holders, the bite alarms, the net, the sling, and the mini trampoline job are effectively one-time purchases.  The hooks, the line, the weights, the High Nutrient Boilies...you're purchasing them once every few trips.  You're purchasing the $15, $50, $100+ ticket every trip. 

So your saying that a person with a 10a lake might make some coin if he makes it a carp lake.....I'd pay to have a crack at an 80#er

7 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

Gar aren't carp, trout aren't carp, trout and carp don't often live in the same places, 

Taney has some of the best big carp fishing in the state......

 

11 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

 there's no causal relationship between carp harvest and population declines or between carp fishing and trophy bass angling. 

so its cool with you if they study that? before you said its a waste of time and $ ?...perhaps ACS can fund the study...because something is eating YOY carp and it isn't sparrows...

 just the other day saw where the state of California has stopped stocking trout in some of the lakes that had been producing truly giant LMB (f)....its not a big jump the same can't happen with carp reductions here or in states like Alabama ( Eufaula) and Texas...especially considering how much more nutritious (high lipid count) common carp are than even rainbow trout as forage

23 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

I'm not interested in the regurgitated talking points that carp have been around for 140 years (as though that means they're native, or that they've had no impact)

that means they are naturalized and any impact they have had has been going on for 140 years....if you want to go the not native thing...then that means crap canning browns-rainbows-and stripers--even muskies....so you can't play that card...the it goes to economics-check---then goes to who wants to fish for them--check--whats left? of if you kill off he carp it makes more room for bass....only way that works is if the carrying capacity of say TR was at max...even then bass won't be feeding on the acorns washing in the lake ATM...like I said killing off the deer and rabbits will not make more wolves and foxes..not BS simple niche biology

30 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

If you don't understand the disservice you're doing to your cause, it isn't my problem. 

"That leads us to my last point.  I'm not ignoring you because, quite frankly, a lot of the things you say about carp (their ecological importance, economic importance, etc) is just simply BS.  If it were just BS I wouldn't have an issue- but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers your BS is true, that BS will have measurable consequences on state agencies and the management of other fisheries,"

Interesting on one hand letting me ramble is hurting my "cause" which is to encourage others to fish for commons and enjoy all they have to offer...yet as you say "but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers"..so I must not be hurting my "cause"....so perhaps in 2018 Ill post up a social we are having and introduce you to new euro-carpers

[MoCarp]

Nah its BS....still not disclosing any place that gets stab fished....have a few good spots that you are not allowed to stab fish there...so....all these fish were taken and released within 2 hrs driving circle of Springfield

 

[BilletHead]

5 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

Nah its BS....still not disclosing any place that gets stab fished....have a few good spots that you are not allowed to stab fish there...so....all these fish were taken and released within 2 hrs driving circle of Springfield

 

        Nice to see some non cut and paste photos, thank you. Now please I would like to see the thirty pounder,

BilletHead

[MoCarp]

1 minute ago, BilletHead said:

        Nice to see some non cut and paste photos, thank you. Now please I would like to see the thirty pounder,

BilletHead

 

[Quillback]

Where's all the other carp guys you claim are out there that I don't see? 

Showing old pictures of yourself holding carp, doesn't help the case you are trying to make that there's people out there, besides yourself, Euro style carp fishing.  Locally.