FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

[BilletHead]

3 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I have been losing weight slow but steady since my 8 month stay in hospital....and talk about smoked fish on crackers makes me hungry.....not on a diet as much as life style changes....

carp and trout are a bit to rich...I usually go walleye or crappie cooked with lemon in a foil pouch backed in the oven (or on the grill)

        Eating carp from most places because of how long they live and bottom sucking muck would scare the heck out of me. Heavy metal build up. Trout on the other hand are shorter lived and have beneficial fatty acids proven to be good for you and your heart. We want you healthy to tell us your stories of catching trophy carp. Again your stories and pictures,

  BilletHead

[MoCarp]

16 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

        Eating carp from most places because of how long they live and bottom sucking muck would scare the heck out of me. Heavy metal build up. Trout on the other hand are shorter lived and have beneficial fatty acids proven to be good for you and your heart. We want you healthy to tell us your stories of catching trophy carp. Again your stories and pictures,

  BilletHead

 

[MOPanfisher]

MoCarp, whg were you in the hospital for 8 months.?

[BilletHead]

32 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I have been losing weight slow but steady since my 8 month stay in hospital....and talk about smoked fish on crackers makes me hungry.....not on a diet as much as life style changes....

carp and trout are a bit to rich...I usually go walleye or crappie cooked with lemon in a foil pouch backed in the oven (or on the grill)

           Ok I seen your food chain chart. Carp go right to the bottom sediment rich in mercury crunching on the zebra mussels  right and bypass the baitfish? In the chart the predator fish are eating the baitfish but you eat them? Where does the carp fit in the chart? 

  BilletHead

[MoCarp]

25 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

           Ok I seen your food chain chart. Carp go right to the bottom sediment rich in mercury crunching on the zebra mussels  right and bypass the baitfish? In the chart the predator fish are eating the baitfish but you eat them? Where does the carp fit in the chart? 

  BilletHead

here some light reading

 

https://www.edx.org/course?subject=Biology %26 Life Sciences

[BilletHead]

   I think we would like this in your words instead of cut and paste.please keep it simple. I am a blue collar worker and not an highly college educatied one such as you. Do not plagiarize and again in your words please. Why are carp not effected and if so where do they rate?

BilletHead

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

MoCarp, whg were you in the hospital for 8 months.?

yes 8-1/2.....took me another 8 months to walk more than 10 steps........of all things separated my left hip.....let me tell you i'd rather been shot....

 

40 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

   I think we would like this in your words instead of cut and paste.please keep it simple. I am a blue collar worker and not an highly college educatied one such as you. Do not plagiarize and again in your words please. Why are carp not effected and if so where do they rate?

BilletHead

in a nut shell if its a pred species... they are many fold more toxic than a carp or buff..... shad.. bighead or silver...

because they eat the fish that accumulate any contaminants...and say a bass eats a shad 3 years old...that bass gets a 3 year dose in one meal.....more meals more contaminants......

if the zebras are contaminated in their short life spans then over time it would accumulate but at lower levels....so 10# carp prob good...30# not a chance....

but the bass eating baby carp and gobies...would still be more toxic..in the same water......prob the worst thing would be a big blue cat....

eating a fish dinner 4 outa 7 days makes your cancer risk go up. at least in those most contaminanted waters...

we are blessed to have some pretty clean water in our areas...but like rolling dice, I'd tell anyone eat more anti oxidants in your diet.....can't hurt.....

[BilletHead]

3 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

yes 8-1/2.....took me another 8 months to walk more than 10 steps........of all things separated my left hip.....let me tell you i'd rather been shot....

 

in a nut shell if its a pred species... they are many fold more toxic than a carp or buff..... shad.. bighead or silver...

because they eat the fish that accumulate any contaminants...and say a bass eats a shad 3 years old...that bass gets a 3 year dose in one meal.....more meals more contaminants......

if the zebras are contaminated in their short life spans then over time it would accumulate but at lower levels....so 10# carp prob good...30# not a chance....

but the bass eating baby carp and gobies...would still be more toxic..in the same water......prob the worst thing would be a big blue cat....

eating a fish dinner 4 outa 7 days makes your cancer risk go up. at least in those most contaminanted waters...

we are blessed to have some pretty clean water in our areas...but like rolling dice, I'd tell anyone eat more anti oxidants in your diet.....can't hurt.....

         I can see some of this but the carp eats daily and all the time pretty much what he can scrounge off the bottom and root out and eat the plants that grow out of that muck. I do know they eat whatever else falls into the water. Pretty opportunity driven. I checked out the MDC fish advisory website. They pretty well have advisories across the board. Your carp are included in equal to other species and don't eat sturgeon eggs .  

  You have let us know you are the authority on carp so I now name you the resident carpoligist,

BilletHead

[MoCarp]

2 hours ago, BilletHead said:

         I can see some of this but the carp eats daily and all the time pretty much what he can scrounge off the bottom and root out and eat the plants that grow out of that muck. 

Carp do not always feed on the bottom, or in muck...ozark lakes have more rocks way less muck.... to catch the bigs in a lake like TR if you looking for muck your not going to catch as many..not enough chow...and below the thermocline even less...carp often will feed in mid layers on emerging insect larva and pods of things like daphnia...they also feed on the surface often, we use something called a zig rig...anyone thats been under a light at night in summer know just how many bugs are about, commons don't eat weeds..thats the grass carp...when commons search for larva and other things that can disturb plants, usually in more eutrophic natural lakes that are very shallow and don't stratify

 

2 hours ago, BilletHead said:

 I do know they eat whatever else falls into the water. Pretty opportunity driven. I checked out the MDC fish advisory website. They pretty well have advisories across the board. Your carp are included in equal to other species and don't eat sturgeon eggs .  

  You have let us know you are the authority on carp so I now name you the resident carpoligist,

BilletHead

Carp are omnivores I just talked to a guy in Michigan, and he swears that carp eat gobies like pop corn....considering that gobies and zebras are from their home ranges it stands to reason why they may feed on them....I think one possibility the carp in Taney get big is munching on dead stockers & fish guts/heads etc...fishing for them all these years I think they are like cows, they get tired of eating the same food and will lean over to eat stuff in the roadside ditch (so to speak)...in fall acorns and all sorts of seeds/fruits end up in the water...any place that current can pile up this detritus thats where you can find carp...chumming up the spot will keep them coming back checking for more at least till the water gets below 50 they feed more sporadically..I have seen them breach on Stockton and TR in Jan.....thats a good way to find a spot... watch for one to breach...put a bait in that general direction they seem to be going.... binoculars are a nice bit of kit to use...TR is a tough place..to catch well you need to get there heads down on bottom...bottom not so deep its still above any thermocline...chum that has little bits that break and pop up are good as is some oils that will float up slowly telling them foods here!..Truman and LOZ much easier..find a flat chum and they will come....

[SpoonDog]

If they're eating mid-water, on daphnia, they're almost certainly competing with native planktivores.  So much for being benign.

 

If they're scavenging the carcasses of sportfish, they're even more toxic than we thought.  Last stop on the food chain.