Those Ugly Fish????

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

   Lets see for the going price of koi I can arrange daily fees of five hundred or so. The only stipulation is it is a catch and eat pond.

 BilletHead

asking what Koi are worth each is like asking whats a car or diamond worth....the basic "pond grade" you can get at wally world for 8 bucks a piece or larger fish like 18" fish 25 bucks each off craigslist....quality koi breeders "cull" out fish looking for all the traits/conformation.....I personally think thats how koi end up at your fav marina which is an issue as this can spread a number if fish diseases that can wipe out 70% or so of the carp population..this happened to blue springs lake back in 2012.....

some think introducing a GMO carp disease is a way to control carp numbers..at least up until it jumps species...some researchers have suggested LMB virus may have 1st been a koi virus that mutated.....common carp are the worlds largest aquaculture food fish world wide and introducing a GMO virus that could wipe out 70-80% of that food population would be unfortunate....its a requirement in most UK fisheries to sterilize mats and nets/bait boats ETC or anything that could spread sickness.....here in Missouri we already have fish kills from virus,  I think going forward I will be a big issue with fisheries management, we do not have the resources to study those events like we should....it will take an event that kills every fish in a lake like TR with the associated economic hit before that happens....hope we never see that

[BilletHead]

9 hours ago, MoCarp said:

asking what Koi are worth each is like asking whats a car or diamond worth....the basic "pond grade" you can get at wally world for 8 bucks a piece or larger fish like 18" fish 25 bucks each off craigslist....quality koi breeders "cull" out fish looking for all the traits/conformation.....I personally think thats how koi end up at your fav marina which is an issue as this can spread a number if fish diseases that can wipe out 70% or so of the carp population..this happened to blue springs lake back in 2012.....

some think introducing a GMO carp disease is a way to control carp numbers..at least up until it jumps species...some researchers have suggested LMB virus may have 1st been a koi virus that mutated.....common carp are the worlds largest aquaculture food fish world wide and introducing a GMO virus that could wipe out 70-80% of that food population would be unfortunate....its a requirement in most UK fisheries to sterilize mats and nets/bait boats ETC or anything that could spread sickness.....here in Missouri we already have fish kills from virus,  I think going forward I will be a big issue with fisheries management, we do not have the resources to study those events like we should....it will take an event that kills every fish in a lake like TR with the associated economic hit before that happens....hope we never see that

        I see how you are MoCarp,

         Breeding isn't right on these koi? Were they born on the wrong side of the tracks? Did you belong to the rich kids click in high school? You kind of sound like the big buck only hunters. Got to have a big rack. Isn't big enough. Not the right genetics, it will never grow drop tines. Too old, too young, needs to grow another couple of years before killing. I bet these koi could be stuffed with enough fish food to make them obese and worth catching for some. So koi have been introduced into waters and you are worried about them spreading diseases? Will these koi soon become naturalized like your introduced common carp when they are here long enough? Seems that was ok so why not koi? 

   Remember KOI LIVES MATTER . The rule stands in Mom's pond. Catch and kill policy . Koi season is always open for gigging, stabbing with an arrow or hook and line,

BilletHead

[MoCarp]

41 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

        I see how you are MoCarp,

         Breeding isn't right on these koi? Were they born on the wrong side of the tracks? Did you belong to the rich kids click in high school? You kind of sound like the big buck only hunters. Got to have a big rack. Isn't big enough. Not the right genetics, it will never grow drop tines. Too old, too young, needs to grow another couple of years before killing. I bet these koi could be stuffed with enough fish food to make them obese and worth catching for some. So koi have been introduced into waters and you are worried about them spreading diseases? Will these koi soon become naturalized like your introduced common carp when they are here long enough? Seems that was ok so why not koi? 

   Remember KOI LIVES MATTER . The rule stands in Mom's pond. Catch and kill policy . Koi season is always open for gigging, stabbing with an arrow or hook and line,

BilletHead

lol..... from my understanding Koi soon revert back to wild appearance after a few generations..a % of young look just like the ones stabbers stab......I have never caught a koi...though have had friends that have..and they fight just like there wild brethren....

 

I am sure if you had some private stocker slipping in a few sickly trout in Taney or bass in LOZ and it killed off almost all the fish you can see my point...but if you have a buttload of koi, it would be smart to learn what the most valuable ones they look for are like..be a shame to stab one worth $1000 or more.....knew a guy that cast net one out of an HOA lake and sold it for $2200......needless to say i'd keep my eye out

[MOPanfisher]

I say release the Koi into the rivers.  Can you imagine how much fun it would be to stick a gig in a 20 plus pound carp wannabe.  Just a couple steps below gigging a beaver.

[MoCarp]

2 hours ago, MOPanfisher said:

I say release the Koi into the rivers.  Can you imagine how much fun it would be to stick a gig in a 20 plus pound carp wannabe.  Just a couple steps below gigging a beaver.

so you gigged a beaver?

[BilletHead]

2 hours ago, MOPanfisher said:

I say release the Koi into the rivers.  Can you imagine how much fun it would be to stick a gig in a 20 plus pound carp wannabe.  Just a couple steps below gigging a beaver.

Oh great MoPanfisher,

  Because of this tongue in cheek remark in jest this will be on someone's Facebook page assuming and thinking you did this. . 

[MoCarp]

3 hours ago, BilletHead said:

Oh great MoPanfisher,

  Because of this tongue in cheek remark in jest this will be on someone's Facebook page assuming and thinking you did this. . 

I was thinking the other kind of beavers

[MOPanfisher]

Gigging a beaver may sound funny but it isn't something you want to.do.  the first time I went gigging one swam by and I was leaning into the stab when they started yelling at me.  Apparently it's a very bad idea and tends to tick off the beaver. 

[BilletHead]

52 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I was thinking the other kind of beavers

             What other kind of beavers are there MoCarp?

[jdmidwest]