Mega Longear Sunfish

[BilletHead]

31 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I have been over the last few years doing exhaustive research on common carp, I am helping some state biologist on this issue and have even inquired with local states to get the data....like many things the whole story is more complex...common carp can be an issue in predominantly silt bottomed shallow eutrophic lakes of the upper midwest with source point pollution issues (caca water and road salts)...Ironically Large Mouth bass are implicated in California studies and have been directly blamed for the extinction of native fishes and amphibians...somewhere I have a link to a study or 20 that shows this posted on this forum 9LMB are not native west of the rockies)

common carp have long been blamed for eating the spawn of "gamefish" yet no definitive evidence have even been submitted in academia 

many of the disappearances blamed on common carp have happened post WWII....just so you know Common Carp have been in waters in our area and most of the USA for 140 years...let me say that again ONE HUNDRED AND FOURT YEARS! they were here  before the 1st white river dam was built and swam in the white river back in the old glory days when you could catch scads of bronze backs in a good old fashion Ozark float.

I remember how the alligator gar was blamed in the same ways and even bounties paid on their harvest...yet today we seek to protect and even raise them in hatcheries...soon a major paper backed with decades of data is to be published that will be a milestone....I would suggest you read some of the studies hard data you posted sometimes conclusions can fly in the face of the data something that will be addressed in the soon to be published paper!

I hope he has not drank the poison kool aid. Let us know his name so we can voice our opinion. 

[Huntingducks117]

1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

I know people who have been walleye fishing for over 10 years and never caught a 5# walleye, how many walleyes over 5# have you shot in your whole 5 years? some anglers go their whole life and never catch a 8# walleye, so four in 5 years? be a pretty good angler to catch a 8#er every year....

They were right about you mis-quoting and twisting.  I said I have never seen an 8 # walleye in 5 years of diving, but you said you can catch 4 in 1 day while rod and reel fishing. 

 

So you are anti-food fishing.  That eliminates a large percent of the angling public  when your looking for people to scream with you. Good luck to you sir. 

 

44 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I have been over the last few years doing exhaustive research on common carp, I am helping some state biologist on this issue and have even inquired with local states to get the data....like many things the whole story is more complex...common carp can be an issue in predominantly silt bottomed shallow eutrophic lakes of the upper midwest with source point pollution issues (caca water and road salts)...Ironically Large Mouth bass are implicated in California studies and have been directly blamed for the extinction of native fishes and amphibians...somewhere I have a link to a study or 20 that shows this posted on this forum 9LMB are not native west of the rockies)

common carp have long been blamed for eating the spawn of "gamefish" yet no definitive evidence have even been submitted in academia 

many of the disappearances blamed on common carp have happened post WWII....just so you know Common Carp have been in waters in our area and most of the USA for 140 years...let me say that again ONE HUNDRED AND FOURT YEARS! they were here  before the 1st white river dam was built and swam in the white river back in the old glory days when you could catch scads of bronze backs in a good old fashion Ozark float.

I remember how the alligator gar was blamed in the same ways and even bounties paid on their harvest...yet today we seek to protect and even raise them in hatcheries...soon a major paper backed with decades of data is to be published that will be a milestone....I would suggest you read some of the studies hard data you posted sometimes conclusions can fly in the face of the data something that will be addressed in the soon to be published paper!

Your not saying much positive about them.  They are still non native and destructive, and people may start screaming to kill them even if they have been here for 140 years.  Do you think people will think silver jumping carp are good after 140 years.  However, it doesn't mater,  you completely missed the point of me posting that.  I'm not here to debate common carp.  It was used as an example, but you missed it completely.  But actually you made my point, which was Just because someone is uneducated in a subject and screams loud, does not mean that they are right, and that the regulation actually accomplishes anything.  I knew you would be passionate about carp and used that as an example. 

Anyway, I don't think you're getting a lot of support on here, and you're not understanding half of what I am trying to tell you, so please post your multiple state record Longear pictures when you get a chance. 

 

[Quillback]

Here's a cause we can all support (coming soon):

https://www.waroncarp.com/

[Devan S.]

11 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

the upper trophy area of Taney is a good start

Taney is a great example. Allows for both harvest and restrictions but that is not what your championing for right? You don't want a compromise.

I actually read your comments S-L-O-W-E-R this time and they still didn't connect the dots for me. Sorry. I swear I'm actually highly educated but reading comprehension isn't my strongest strength. 

What if Billethead said his opinion any fish not harvested by fly rod and artificial fly was not fair chase?

Would you disagree with him? Would you ask him to clarify the reasoning why his opinion differs from yours?

What if he continued to say because its fair chase were not all out here throwing jerkbaits/arigs on spinning/bait cast equipment. Were not all down here running them down with that dang whopper plopper. 

Instead what if he formulated an argument as such:

I believe that the use a bait casting/spinning setup allows you to reach a significant distance farther that an fly rod thus increasing your effective area covered which puts the fish at a disadvantage. Those fish are no longer within a range that they know you are present and therefore they feel more comfortable with taking a chance at an artificial lure.  

I also believe that the artificial lures commonly used in both spinning fishing and bait casting setups contain multiple hooks and are fished at such a speed that the fish cannot make anything but a split second reaction to determine if the lure is a lure or actual prey. In fact this is evidenced by the number of fish that are caught with these lures in which they are not located in their mouth but attached to the side of their face. It is much fairer to use a slow artificial presentation in which you actually pit your skill working the lure against the fishes natural instincts to choose whether to bite and the lure is embedded into his jaw instead of his eyes.

This is exactly what I want from you in the comparison of the spear fishing to spot lighting deer or shooting turkeys off the roost. I want to know exactly how and why your making that link.  

[Flysmallie]

50 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

..but I'd say few people will every get to have fished as much as I have, or as blessed to landed my share of trophy fish..

Well I will go ahead and claim one of those spots so don't talk down to me or anyone else while you are spewing your ignorance. If you want the laws changed take your BS to the people that can change the laws. Not us hick fisherman that are dumber than you. Because, in case you haven't noticed it, nobody wants to hear you anymore. Oh yes I know. I know about those phantom members that back you thru PMs. We have all heard it. 

It's like a man child. I'm out.

 

[fishinwrench]

On 7/7/2018 at 11:19 AM, Ham said:

I’m not blocking a dumb butt from being a dumb butt, but out of sight is out of mind. I’m much less annoyed by certain idiots if I get to ignore there content. Unfortunately, I see it when someone quotes them, but I can live with it. 

Good Grief, I am not blocking anubody for their differing viewpoints. I block ppl that are a-holes that stir the pot and troll ppl AND/OR they just annoy me by being inane. 

It does not impede that person in any way, I’m just happier that I don’t have to see their content. 

Clear as mud to some I suppose. I honestly think it is an awesome feature. 

Just for kicks let's see what happens when someone you've blocked quotes you.  😋

[Chief Grey Bear]

7 hours ago, BilletHead said:

I was patiently waiting for this. This is a fact. Bookoos more fish killed by rod and reel fisherman. Fish of all sizes.

  BilletHead

And how many times over the years have I said this on those stupid gigging threads!!!

[fishinwrench]

9 minutes ago, Chief Grey Bear said:

And how many times over the years have I said this on those stupid gigging threads!!!

No way to prove it, but I'm comfortable saying that more smallmouth over 15" have been killed by giggers on the Niangua than by hook & line anglers.  

[Chief Grey Bear]

 You're comfortable saying the most oddball crap.  This is no stretch .

[BilletHead]

36 minutes ago, Chief Grey Bear said:

And how many times over the years have I said this on those stupid gigging threads!!!

       I agree with you. More definitely with bait. Everyone needs their desired sport. We are now regulated to death and do not need anymore. Be thankful for what we now have. We are the most fortunate peoples in the world, we have choice. If you don't like it here you have the choice to leave. Do so gripers and you have the green light from the BilletHead. I think carp fishing is better in Europe and some should migrate there,

   BilletHead