9 ways to combat BowFishing at your favorite swim (legally)

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, SpoonDog said:

You need to disentangle your identity from your hobby- people aren't bothered by carp angling, they're bothered by you. 

if that was the case why the open hostility on JUST carp threads? don't get the snarky comments when I post about other subjects?

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It's why people put gas in your well or killed all the fish in your stock tank, I'd wager.  It's why you've been banned from so many forums, it's why you have dozens of people here complaining about your behavior. 

I have been banned by 2 forums controlled by Bfing interests and others promoting euroangling for common carp and buffalo are also banned as soon as they mention any pro carp fishing comment and there are met with the same snarky hostility I regularly get here, the biggest manifistion of vandalism was when our group successfully got regulations changed in Texas..in seems that the bfer demographic ( I should know I ran and opened my own advertising agency for over 2 decades) is more prone to breaking laws it seems..and those in the east coast have had issues since the CT regulations changes....kinda like the people who keep trashing Trumps star, it seems change will do that to people

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An individual capable of self-reflection would look at all that mounting evidence and attempt a new approach.  You continue to do you.  I truly wish you understood the obstacle you present to your own success.  People aren't upset at the message, they're upset at the message. 

Numbers who have joined our group are up exponentially, we have added more people in the last 2 years than in the last 10 and the amount of new carpers joining is accelerating, I knew I would be a focus point for those who hate, but since I am American born and bred, hunt, fish and trap the anti badge will not stick owned my own business and had the resources and time on my hand to do the legwork on many issues (even now I help a group of state fisheries biologists in acquiring carp data..(a big thanks to those on this forum that have helped me in our research) Bfers upset at me is a badge of honor.

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I've absolutely spent less time on this forum in the past year, because 90%+ of what you write is garbage and I have no interest.  This 5+ page thread on carp fishing is not meaningfully different than the last 5+ page thread on carp fishing, or any 5+ page thread on carp fishing- because it's the same quotes, the same anecdotes, the same "research" the same ham-handed approach to broadening interest in European-style carp angling. You enjoy the sport, I get it.  Everyone gets it.  Everyone understands your position- but joining 30 forums to be banned by 28 and trolling the last two with garbage undermines your efforts- and that's something you need to come to terms with.

I have been added/ invited to join over 100 fishing pages on FB this year alone (forums are a dieing format it seems) and if you are so offended you can use the ignore feature, but as you and the other harassers have eloquently stated before you won't because of what may happen if people start buying into the whole carp agenda...well too late

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You need to come to terms with the fact public lakes are not your personal fiefdom.  You don't get to choose how other people legally enjoy their outdoor experience, and you don't get to sick law enforcement on them because you don't approve.  Setting out to ruin a lawful angler's outdoor experience doesn't make you a martyr, MOCarp- it makes you an posterior. 

Public lakes are that..PUBLIC and those user groups have the right, NAY obligation to speak up be it 5 foot wakes destroying others docks/property or loud noise and bright lights waking them up on the lake at 3am or the dumping of 300# of dead carp/buff and gar at the boat ramps even shooting fish to extinction like alligator gar and black buffalo in Oklahoma and laws get changed, at one time it was tradition to gig bass and other gamefish from ozark streams, it was legal to shoot bison and passenger pigeons and it used to be cool to string all the bass caught in a tourney change was hard for those who used to duck hunt with punt guns and spotlight deer, the ability for one person to effect a fish or game population by ways of over harvest is over its why you can't gill net crappie even if you stay in the limit or shoot turkeys off the roost but only take your limit harvest isn't just harvest is it?

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If your initial post were just stupid, it'd be one thing.  But it's encouraging members to harass sportsmen- a crime in Missouri.  At that point I think Phil has an obligation, moral if not legal, to remove you from the forum- not because people hate carp fishing, but because you've crossed a line. 

this post is 9 LEGAL ways to effect change none of which meet the smell test, if every time you go to your fishing spot and shine a light and bang a metal can pretty soon light = run like heck, now if they did that in front of you Bfing as you moved down the bank at night then yes that would be "harassing" yet thats not what is suggesting, I am working on something about the safety of Bfing you'll love that one...but you are and avid Bfer and I understand your getting salty...you should watch this video take you meds 1st though

 

[Huntingducks117]

Buffalo Carp ribs are delicious when cooked BBQ style. 

[MoCarp]

3 minutes ago, Huntingducks117 said:

Buffalo Carp ribs are delicious when cooked BBQ style. 

They are and using them for food is ok, its dumping them 100k pounds at a time in a field is not cool

[Bill Mann]

Long time lurker here. I see both sides of the coin. 

 

I bowfish. I ONLY kill what I eat. After looking at these sites for ages I thought I would chime in. I keep seeing tons of dead rough fish and game fish littered along the ramps and roadside. Why are you guys taking a life if you are not going to eat or donate it ? I was walloped as a kid when I shot birds and squirrels for fun. Maybe the modern bowfishers were never raised right. Shooting for thrill and dumping the kill is just wasting a natural resource. Carp have been here for over 150 year and were introduced for food and for game. I let people fish for carp on my private pond and I don't harvest the large carp since they are not good eating. I love watching families catch a 30 lb carp and love seeing the joy on faces of their kids. If they want to bowfish, I take them out with the strict rule to target small carp which are abundant and also good to smoke.

 

The love for killing will destroy the bowfishing world. The disregard for life and the wanton waste has given bowfishing a bad rap. The loud generators, disregard for other anglers and dumping fish on shore or sinking them after being shot, will probably make bowfishing illegal in most waters. 

 

The modern bowfisher is the greatest threat to bowfishing. There needs to be a balance where we get to shoot fish but we let anglers enjoy catching the large ones for catch and release. If not, we are just destroying this sport. The sponsors and gear manufacturers are already backing out of many tournaments. They will keep backing out once society is fed up with the mess us bowfishers create.

 

Carp are great sport fish. They are the closest to fighting a large saltwater fish on rod/line.  It's sad that anglers and bowfishers are always at each others throat.  In the long run, bowfishing will just lose out due to the waste/senseless killing and dumping.

 

Bill. 

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I should have taken a picture last August at Taney.  The trash barrel at the city ramp was half full of dead carp.  All shot and thrown away.  Now I don't carp fish or BF but that just isn't right.

[Phil Lilley]

Wow... I take a few days off from reading and I see all this.

I've banned very few people from this forum - and it takes more than what I see here... much more.  So you can forget about banning anyone.

I think all y'all need to step back and take a breath. 

[Bill Mann]

37 minutes ago, Phil Lilley said:

Wow... I take a few days off from reading and I see all this.

I've banned very few people from this forum - and it takes more than what I see here... much more.  So you can forget about banning anyone.

I think all y'all need to step back and take a breath. 

Tough to breathe when I smell dead fish everytime I go near a river/lake bank. Tough to breathe when I am wading in chest deep water and I keep kicking up dead fish left to sink after being shot.  Something needs to be done or no one can enjoy the outdoors

[ollie]

[ollie]

That is what goes on down on Grand day in day out.

[MoCarp]

thats why we don't catch giants here in the states