I’m Not Dead Yet

[snagged in outlet 3]

12 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

So who’s the dead fish? The guy who thinks we all appeared one day from fog? Or the guy who thinks we adapted over millions of years from fog? 

Or should it matter to either what the other thinks. 

[fishinwrench]

Where we came from wasn't a talking point of the conversation.  

Whether or not there is an entity controlling things in our behalf, who has a plan for us after we die is where my curiosity lies.    Mostly because the book that you derived that information from is just loaded with unbelievable (and horrible) stuff.    

My goal is to believe as many true things as possible, and to continue seeking truth if I'm unconvinced.    

Currently I'm still unconvenced.   And even if I eventually become convinced I'm not exactly sure that I want to be spiritually or otherwise connected with any "being" that condones slavery, and punishes for not believing based on bad evidence.    

You don't get to choose what you believe.....you either believe it or you don't.   I'd love to believe all the cool happy things that make life easier, but I gotta be honest with myself, my family, and my friends.  I just don't buy it.  None of it.   It all wreaks of a cruel way to control society.

[fishinwrench]

46 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Or should it matter to either what the other thinks. 

When your judged on it, it matters.  

When you're not allowed to question it, it matters.

When someone says you suck at your job, and wants your business to suffer because you are honest about your questions and beliefs, it matters.

When you are being strongarm controlled by people who don't seem to be thinking clearly or have the ability to think freely......it REALLY matters.

[Mitch f]

23 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Where we came from wasn't a talking point of the conversation.  

Whether or not there is an entity controlling things in our behalf, who has a plan for us after we die is where my curiosity lies.    Mostly because the book that you derived that information from is just loaded with unbelievable (and horrible) stuff.    

My goal is to believe as many true things as possible, and to continue seeking truth if I'm unconvinced.    

Currently I'm still unconvenced.   And even if I eventually become convinced I'm not exactly sure that I want to be spiritually or otherwise connected with any "being" that condones slavery, and punishes for not believing based on bad evidence.    

You don't get to choose what you believe.....you either believe it or you don't.   I'd love to believe all the cool happy things that make life easier, but I gotta be honest with myself, my family, and my friends.  I just don't buy it.  None of it.   It all wreaks of a cruel way to control society.

Well I’ve seen society out of control and it ain’t no fun. Men are wicked, we are not good by nature. 

[fishinwrench]

6 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Well I’ve seen society out of control and it ain’t no fun. Men are wicked, we are not good by nature. 

When was the last time your heard that a group of radical athiests caused a catastrophe ?  

Very very rare.  It's always some religious organization behind it.    Dead fish.

[Mitch f]

6 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

When was the last time your heard that a group of radical athiests caused a catastrophe ?  

Very very rare.  It's always some religious organization behind it.    Dead fish.

Joseph Stalin killed 25 million of his own people 

Mao Killed 20 million of his own people

HiroHito killed millions too

you want me to keep going?

[nomolites]

Each is entitled to their own set of beliefs in my book - I’m thinking more humans have died as the result of one group or individual attempting to enforce their beliefs upon others than for any other reason, and we are all likely to be at least partially wrong.  I will go with what my set of life experiences have given me as a belief set, and you should do the same.   

Mike

[fishinwrench]

2 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Joseph Stalin killed 25 million of his own people 

Mao Killed 20 million of his own people

HiroHito killed millions too

you want me to keep going?

Yeah keep going.  😊

You had to go back a long ways, and the teachings of history are often full of slanted viewpoints and ignored/dismissed facts.   

How about since better, more reliable information sharing became a possibility ?

[Mitch f]

1 minute ago, fishinwrench said:

Yeah keep going.  😊

You had to go back a long ways, and the teachings of history are often full of slanted viewpoints and ignored/dismissed facts.   

How about since better, more reliable information sharing became a possibility ?

It was only 80 years ago, I would call that information pretty reliable. 😊

[fishinwrench]

10 minutes ago, nomolites said:

Each is entitled to their own set of beliefs in my book - I’m thinking more humans have died as the result of one group or individual attempting to enforce their beliefs upon others than for any other reason, and we are all likely to be at least partially wrong.  I will go with what my set of life experiences have given me as a belief set, and you should do the same.   

Mike

That's exactly what I do.   But I'm not going to just ignore the fact that I have trust issues with my neighbor who swears he has seen ghosts multiple times and believes that spirits keep opening his mailbox.