Brown trout spawn

[ness]

20 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

The rebar stretch is the end of the spawn habitat at Taney.  That ain't big enough to support much, and it gets trampled too much.

The White has shoal after shoal of good habitat.

So do they actually spawn in there? I was under the impression there was no spawning.

[fishinwrench]

Dynamite powersite and you'd have plenty of habitat. 😊

[fishinwrench]

Just now, ness said:

So do they actually spawn in there? I was under the impression there was no spawning.

I'm sure a few try.... but let's get real here. 🙄

Between the boots and the whistle they don't have a chance.

[fishinwrench]

The fisheries biologist from the Niangua region stands firm in his belief that trout can't successfully spawn in the Niangua, but myself and several others know that isn't true.  They absolutely do and I can show you 6-8 places where it happens.    Outlaw gigging and you'd see plenty of stream bred Niangua fish.

This one took a leech from a red 

A few babies 

[ness]

1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

I'm sure a few try.... but let's get real here. 🙄

Between the boots and the whistle they don't have a chance.

Spence mentions the fishing pressure in the article. But I’m trying to figure if spawning is zero and if so why. I wonder if @Phil Lilley has any insight.  

[fishinwrench]

Theoretically if you can turn over rocks and find golden stoneflies, or if you can find baetis mayflys (round headed swimmers), and green cased Caddis worms, then that stream can also support trout, and trout should be able to successfully reproduce.  How prolifically they can reproduce depends on the amount of suitable substrate. 

Clinger mayflys (flat headed rock clingers), scuds, hellgrammites, and black stoneflies mean nothing (troutwise)....but if Black stones are present in good numbers then water quality is considered 👌(as in uncontaminated and with good oxygen content).

This is old school information that didn't take a biologist degree to figure out. 😊  Eggs deposited in the runs (where gravel begins turning to sand) are where the best chance of hatching is at.  

[aarchdale@coresleep.com]

7 hours ago, ness said:

I think if the hatchery guys made it a priority they could select for later-spawning brown trout, or import other strains that do it already and maybe get some successful spawning going. They’ve tweaked rainbows over the years to spawn earlier, grow faster and be healthier. Of course there’s the need for large quantities of rainbows for the parks driving that.

But that still leaves me wondering why tailwater trout in AR can spawn but we can’t get them to do it in Taney without a helping hand. Wonder if something is fundamentally different about Taney? Or does AR have a different strain?

I wonder the same about Zebra mussels.  Why is Bull Shoals absolutely littered by them and we dont have them in Table Rock

[fishinwrench]

I doubt that the entirety of BS is loaded with zebra's.  Likely certain zones are, and if you were to locate similar "zones" in TR I'm sure you'd find some.  

How thick they are in those zones changes from year to year.   We had them real thick in my area of LO about 6 years ago, but they aren't thick at all anymore.  

[tjm]

6 hours ago, ness said:

So do they actually spawn in there? I was under the impression there was no spawning.

http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/topic/67446-lilleys-lake-taneycomo-fishing-report-august-31/?tab=comments#comment-585847

Phil Lilley said " Our brown trout do make a run to the dam area in the fall to spawn, although they are not actually successful creating any young trout.  They go through the actions and lay eggs but because of water flow and temperature, none hatch.  "  That says they actually spawn but the eggs don't survive.

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

They go through the actions and lay eggs but because of water flow and temperature, none hatch.

Too warm in the spring fed streams they say. 🙄

Too cold(???) in the tailwaters.  🙄

C'mon now !     I'm getting a headache trying to process this.    

 

 

 

Boots, Horns, and giggers.  That's why there aren't more wild trout in MO. 😂