MoCarp Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, 3DHUSKER said: What is the length of the growing season there compared to Stockton? How big do they grow there in 3 years? What is the forage base there and how rich with nutrients is the lake compared to Stockton? Lots of questions as to ask. I bet the lakes similarities stop at they both have water in them. https://www.mdwfp.com/media/300180/grenada-reel-facts-2020-final.pdf MONKEYS? what monkeys?
MoCarp Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 https://www.ms-sportsman.com/content/crappie-hotspots-series-grenada-lake/ MONKEYS? what monkeys?
3DHUSKER Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 Interesting. The lake in all those pictures looks like Truman. Chocolate Milk. Looking at the lakes other fish limits this appears to be managed as a crappie lake only. Don't see that happening here ever. • Crappie: Must be over 12 inches. 15 crappie per day per angler; no more than 40 crappie per boat (3 or more anglers). • Largemouth Bass: No length limit and 10 bass per day per angler. • White and Yellow Bass: No limits. • Bream: No length limit and 100 per day per angler. • Catfish: No limits
Walcrabass Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 MOCarp/Olfishead, You guys are right. 12" Limit does increase the size of the overall top end of the population. Also do not want to change the regulations each year. Covid 19 fishing pressure is on target also. What does all this boil down to? Longer length limits on the lakes that have enough food to support it........................ Maybe changing the limit to include only so many fish over like 16/17" also? Just thinking about the long term quality fish, Walcrabass
MoCarp Posted October 23, 2020 Posted October 23, 2020 17 hours ago, 3DHUSKER said: Interesting. The lake in all those pictures looks like Truman. Chocolate Milk. Looking at the lakes other fish limits this appears to be managed as a crappie lake only. Don't see that happening here ever. • Crappie: Must be over 12 inches. 15 crappie per day per angler; no more than 40 crappie per boat (3 or more anglers). • Largemouth Bass: No length limit and 10 bass per day per angler. • White and Yellow Bass: No limits. • Bream: No length limit and 100 per day per angler. • Catfish: No limits Bass limits traditionally have been generous in the south, catfish are not as popular there as here ( lots of bullheads) bream or sun fish get pressure...it’s my understanding gizzard shad stay smaller longer in Stockton, enough food so a crappie hit 10” plus in 3 years...it’s logical to think they could hit 12 in another year... MONKEYS? what monkeys?
Lvn2Fish Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 You guys trying to compare a Lowland fishery in Mississippi to a highland fishery like Stockton is just plain dumb . Clear water , cold winters , lack of cover . These things don’t play a part in the health and size of a population according to your logic . Not to mention the water volume difference in the lakes in general . 3DHUSKER, olfishead and Heretolearn 3
MoCarp Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Lvn2Fish said: You guys trying to compare a Lowland fishery in Mississippi to a highland fishery like Stockton is just plain dumb . Clear water , cold winters , lack of cover . These things don’t play a part in the health and size of a population according to your logic . Not to mention the water volume difference in the lakes in general . I posted the usda growing season maps Stockton is comparable, fertility is probably a bit higher yet Stockton has plenty of shad, also Grenada is a lot like Stockton with few coves compared to other waters, dropping the limit to a 10 per and a boat total should drop over harvest, bumping the limit to 12” is doable might not get 4 pounders but bet you get more 2s MONKEYS? what monkeys?
Devan S. Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 Maybe the LL should be increased on Stockton(I'd personally be okay with it across Missouri)....but comparing Stockton to Grenada is impossible. I follow half a dozen guides, have family down there, and have fished down there. The amount of fish removed daily from those lakes make Stockton look like a catch and release lake. It just doesn't compare. These guides are day in and day out pulling multiple limits out of those lakes. 24/7/365. Our guide always talked about "other" fish as trash fish. You want catfish you go to the river. Despite what the usda grow season maps show....Grenada is 250 miles plus south of Stockton and coincidentally about the same distance to Lake Fork(another area with significant crappie populations and size). Plus gators pretty common around there and never show up at Stockton(despite the Taney gator this year). Not to mention the Delta has some of the most fertile dirt in the county. Tons of timber, fairly shallow, muddy water, lots of "flats", tons of flooded timber in the springs, fertile inflows. Heretolearn 1
straw hat Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 I think this discussion highlights the complexity of setting seasons, length limits, size limits et. that is one of the reason that computer modeling is often used to determine potential effects of changes in regs to fish populations. Lean on the science and not on subjective guessing. Heretolearn and olfishead 2
MoCarp Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Devan S. said: Maybe the LL should be increased on Stockton(I'd personally be okay with it across Missouri)....but comparing Stockton to Grenada is impossible. I follow half a dozen guides, have family down there, and have fished down there. The amount of fish removed daily from those lakes make Stockton look like a catch and release lake. It just doesn't compare. These guides are day in and day out pulling multiple limits out of those lakes. 24/7/365. Our guide always talked about "other" fish as trash fish. You want catfish you go to the river. Despite what the usda grow season maps show....Grenada is 250 miles plus south of Stockton and coincidentally about the same distance to Lake Fork(another area with significant crappie populations and size). Plus gators pretty common around there and never show up at Stockton(despite the Taney gator this year). Not to mention the Delta has some of the most fertile dirt in the county. Tons of timber, fairly shallow, muddy water, lots of "flats", tons of flooded timber in the springs, fertile inflows. I posted the growth rates from grenada, Stockton is comparable...I think you might be surprised on just how many fish get taken from Stockton, boat ramps spread all over gives less perception of use.. Grenada..soils are more fertile yet Turbidity can limit sight feeders like crappie. I grew up fishing south Mississippi and it’s noticeably colder from around Jackson north...it’s more about fish having time to get big before harvest...we grow huge fish here In Missouri, found these fish on the MDC records page 4-9 and 5-0 I’d bet a steak dinner that a 12” mll, and boat total limit reduction would produce wall hangers on Stockton, we still have people now filling freezers well beyond bag limits..perhaps a few examples made of people with a new set of regs changes would increase quality fishing MONKEYS? what monkeys?
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