Anyone made a trip this year?

[Johnsfolly]

1 hour ago, SpoonDog said:

To my knowledge the urban lakes are stocked once.  If 500 fish are planted and they're all harvested the next week, that's it. 

I know that is case in the lakes/ponds that are catch/release through Feb 1. In the past the catch/keep ponds were restocked during the season, but I don't know how regularly or how often they were restocked or if that is still the case currently. 

[Flyfisher for men]

Wow, I did not expect this threat to go the direction it did and for eight pages. 

It's an interesting discussion, for sure.

 

Would anyone favor things like length limits or a catch and release area for Bennett? Maybe other changes? 

[tjm]

Length limits on put and take stocked fish? no-siree-bob. They are only meant to in the stream for 12 hours, which is why we stock nightly.  They must be legal size at stocking or the public will feel cheated at whistle time.

Any restriction is  only as good as the enforcement it is implemented with and the penalty it carries, Enforcement is always a manpower problem, but especially so in wildlife, and wildlife violations seldom have penalties with teeth.  In the case of trout park length limits it would also mean no cleaning of fish while in the park, and that would mean  .... and that would necessitate ... and so on.  Since we know they can't/aren't/won't enforce the current regulations and limits we can assume that any other restrictions would likewise be unenforced.

I might go for a daily cap on ticket sales or even a day use capacity use limit for parks. But, in honesty, the fish-in-barrel is what draws people to the parks. And the Parks make enough  money run as they are that the powers profiting from them isn't going to allow much change, unless that change brings in more money.

I  would like for the annual trout permit to be valid in C&R areas within the parks without a daily tag, let C&R be an either/or option like Zone  3 of RRSP. but it's not something I expect to see happen, Daily tags in C&R areas are almost pure profit since no harvest is allowed. 

[Gavin]

Do they still sell breakfast and ice cream? I like breakfast and my daughter’s like to feed the fish and eat ice cream. Only 3 reasons I’d ever have to stop there. The Campground sucks in comparison to others in the area.

[fshndoug]

SpoonDog u side stepped the question of when you were at BSSP the last time.

[laker67]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Length limits on put and take stocked fish? no-siree-bob. They are only meant to in the stream for 12 hours, which is why we stock nightly.  They must be legal size at stocking or the public will feel cheated at whistle time.

 

 

 

Length limits, and slot limits work very well at taneycomo. 

[SpoonDog]

43 minutes ago, fshndoug said:

SpoonDog u side stepped the question of when you were at BSSP the last time.

Two or three years ago.  23 year old coed and I did the short loop around the spring branch and the far bank.  Athletic- biked, yoga, running.  I'm not that into pixie cuts or Blackhawks fans, but she had a great butt and I'm not pretty enough to be picky.  Old enough to know if a woman shows interest, don't overthink it.

We walked around, I showed her some pawpaws.  Hatchery improvements never came up- the hatchery could've been burning to the ground for all I knew.  I was interested in a different sort of recreation.

Does that answer your question?

[Devan S.]

1 hour ago, SpoonDog said:

Two or three years ago.  23 year old coed and I did the short loop around the spring branch and the far bank.  Athletic- biked, yoga, running.  I'm not that into pixie cuts or Blackhawks fans, but she had a great butt and I'm not pretty enough to be picky.  Old enough to know if a woman shows interest, don't overthink it.

We walked around, I showed her some pawpaws.  Hatchery improvements never came up- the hatchery could've been burning to the ground for all I knew.  I was interested in a different sort of recreation.

Does that answer your question?

Think she would complain on facebook non-stop about not having a cleaning station?

 

 

[SpoonDog]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Length limits on put and take stocked fish? no-siree-bob. They are only meant to in the stream for 12 hours, which is why we stock nightly.  They must be legal size at stocking or the public will feel cheated at whistle time.

I think it'd be an uphill battle, at best.  The trout park model is driven by exploitation- you can't exhaust the resource, another stocking truck's coming tomorrow.  You don't have to be a steward of the fishery, another stocking truck's coming tomorrow. 

I think leaves trout park anglers in a weird place.  These fish are too precious to dump in an urban pond, but not so precious we can't gut them a couple hours after leaving the raceway.  Not so precious we should take a few less, let them get a little bigger. 

If trout park anglers valued big fish over little fish length limits may make a difference, but I don't think that's the case.  Seems like they value the fish they can't catch- the ones that wind up in KC or Springfield or St. Louis- more than the ones stocked locally.  The grass is always greener.

Any fish stocked in an urban lake isn't stocked at a trout park- and if the trout park paradigm is based on harvesting everything you can, that's a problem.  If that's closer to how trout park anglers feel, I don't think changing length or bag limits will make a difference.

 

[SpoonDog]

22 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

Think she would complain on facebook non-stop about not having a cleaning station?

 

 

Her priorities were elsewhere.