Knots, Line, and so on

[fshndoug]

After listening to the scientific explanation of facts here I  decided to take up golf. I have realized that I should be using braid with fluorocarbon leaders,2-6 flies and some lines i never heard of> I have no idea how i have caught so many fish not knowing anything..

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[fishinwrench]

  On 1/11/2024 at 1:39 AM, Al Agnew said:

Of course, I don't use it with dry flies because it sinks, and pulls the fly down

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This is merely something you've read in magazines, and thus are reacting to.  

#1.  While it is true that fluorocarbon (once broken through the surface tension of water) does indeed sloooowly siiiiink.   It doesn't sink hard enough to drown a dry fly. Not even a compara-dun style fly.

#2. The tippet being UNDER the surface is far less visible than a tippet floating in the surface film.    This is proven.   So whatever you do DON'T apply floatant to your tippet EVER.  You want it to sink 👍

 

I fish fluorocarbon tippet on dry flys, and I have experimented with it in the sink....and in the swimming pool.    The belief that flouro seriously (and detrimentally) effects the floatability of dry flys is a huge myth.   Just so ya know 👌

[fishinwrench]

  On 1/11/2024 at 2:59 AM, fshndoug said:

After listening to the scientific explanation of facts here I  decided to take up golf. I have realized that I should be using braid with fluorocarbon leaders,2-6 flies and some lines i never heard of> I have no idea how i have caught so many fish not knowing anything..

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There IS such a thing as being OVERLY EDUCATED.    

I reached that point in several aspects of life.....and have had to reel myself back in.  

In this day & age most all of us have more time to STUDY than we do to actually FISH.   And this can often do more harm than good.   

MDC biologists, doctors, climate control scientists, and fishermen are famous for being too smart for our own good.  

[tjm]

Wrench is right about  the fluorocarbon not exactly sinking like leadcore, it's such a tiny bit denser than water that it will float petty well on the "film" until/unless it's caused to break through the surface tension and then it sinks slowly or very slowly depending somewhat on water temperature. He is also right in that a sunken tippet is less visible to the fish, it's why many dry fly users "de-grease" nylon tippets, hence Xink and the mixture of glycerine, cat liter and dish soap.

It took me a while to find the abrasion test from years ago that made think fluoro is about the same as nylon in that respect, but it's still active,  https://www.saltstrong.com/fishing-tip/fluorocarbon-leader-abrasion-test-vs-mono/

 

[Mitch f]

  On 1/11/2024 at 6:35 AM, tjm said:

Wrench is right about  the fluorocarbon not exactly sinking like leadcore, it's such a tiny bit denser than water that it will float petty well on the "film" until/unless it's caused to break through the surface tension and then it sinks slowly or very slowly depending somewhat on water temperature. He is also right in that a sunken tippet is less visible to the fish, it's why many dry fly users "de-grease" nylon tippets, hence Xink and the mixture of glycerine, cat liter and dish soap.

It took me a while to find the abrasion test from years ago that made think fluoro is about the same as nylon in that respect, but it's still active,  https://www.saltstrong.com/fishing-tip/fluorocarbon-leader-abrasion-test-vs-mono/

 

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Wow that was an eye opener…thanks!

[Flysmallie]

  On 1/11/2024 at 4:19 AM, fishinwrench said:

The belief that flouro seriously (and detrimentally) effects the floatability of dry flys is a huge myth.   Just so ya know 👌

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Maybe so but you can't fish a gurgler very well with fluoro. Mono works much better. 

[Mitch f]

  On 1/11/2024 at 1:48 AM, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Pretty timely video 😆

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In the other video the double Pittzen beat the Palomar knot. 
I would really like to see close up slow motion on how knots break. 

[Flysmallie]

  On 1/11/2024 at 3:36 PM, Mitch f said:

I would really like to see close up slow motion on how knots break. 

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That would be cool. Buy us a high speed camera and I'll help you make the video of that. 

[Mitch f]

  On 1/11/2024 at 3:42 PM, Flysmallie said:

That would be cool. Buy us a high speed camera and I'll help you make the video of that. 

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How much are those cameras? 

[Seth]

There are a ton of videos on YouTube comparing every knot you can think of. It ain't hard to figure out which knots are the best for an application. Even knots like the FG aren't hard to tie with a little practice. I'm always hearing about guys breaking fish off and it happens VERY rarely to me and I attribute part of that to choosing the right knot for the application. I'm also using a spinning rod and lighter gear than most much of the time so my chances of breaking fish off should be even higher.