Let's take a moment.

[fishinwrench]

What they did, was manipulate a flock of certified Wacko's like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura to head all the conspiratorial claims...

..So that anyone who didn't buy into the official story could be immediately slapped into the "crazy camp" and be forever ignored and given eye-rolls.

It's an age old media driven thought control method, that somehow still works like a charm.  

And when I say "they", I'm not assuming it was 20 or so high ranking individuals.   All it takes is 2 or 3 intelligent "chess players" with nothing else to concentrate on.   And I'm guessing that those 2-3 are not names you've ever heard mentioned on the nightly news. 

Bin Laden, for all we know, could be a 100% fictional character. Killed and thrown off a ship.....no trial or anything....cuz "we" just knew.  Right?    

Pfft.   Bullbutter! 

[Flysmallie]

Was it the Illuminati??

[fishinwrench]

2 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

Was it the Illuminati??

See, there ya go.  🙄 

Yeah, owl worshipers...... that's the ticket.   Brainwash complete. 👌 Ya know, they eat children too.   Raw! 

[rps]

2 hours ago, Al Agnew said:

We lost our innocence on 9/11.  We had thought that, having outlasted the Soviet Union and converted China to a greed-driven instead of ideologically driven country, we didn't have much to worry about. The thing I remember most was how absolutely gobsmacked everybody was..."oh crap, there are terrorists out there who not only hate us but have the capability to really do serious harm to us".  I remember how much most people, no matter what their political persuasion, were on board with invading Iraq and Afghanistan to "do something".  It didn't last long, but it may have been the last time, and may be the last time, Americans actually put aside their differences and support a common goal.

I don't believe the conspiracy theories, sorry.  I have no illusions about the competency of government agencies.  Their very incompetence at times argues against grand conspiracies--how do the numbers of government workers in on the scheme ever keep it all secret?  It could have been prevented, we had the knowledge and the intelligence, but our intelligence agencies were rivals, not partners.  And the scheme would be unnecessarily complex...if you had the means to bring down the towers in the first place, why not just do it and frame some "terrorists", rather than having somebody do suicide missions flying planes into them plus the Pentagon?

But I'm also just as certain that the Bush administration (not so much Bush himself but Cheney and Rumsfeld and some of the other "hawks" in the administration) was quick to take advantage of the event to drum up popular support for their ideas of nation building.  It wasn't ideological, it was geopolitically strategic.  Iraq has oil.  At the time we were dependent upon a bunch of countries which didn't like us for a majority of our oil, and that didn't look like it would change any time soon.  So turn Iraq into a country "friendly" to the U.S. (maybe even a puppet government), and bingo, we'd have a stable oil supply there at least.  Of course, by this time we've learned that we simply aren't effective at nation building when the people with the most influence in that nation are medieval religious nutcases that hate our brand of society.  But at the time they probably thought it was easily doable.  Heck, we all did.   I was never sure about the whole weapons of mass destruction thing, but I thought, naively, that they were competent enough to pull off the nation building and that it might turn out well in the end.

In the 20 years since, we've learned, or should have learned, a lot of things.  One of the things I've learned is that if we have an outside enemy to rally against, that enemy is still not likely to prevail.  We've been pretty effective as a government in keeping another 9/11 from happening.  But...once that outside enemy fades into the background like Islamic terrorism has, we are ripe for being manipulated into going against a different enemy.  And now, the different enemy is the people in our own country who don't agree with us politically.  We are being conditioned by domestic greed and foreign influence in social media to hate each other, and I'm not sure how we back off from that. 

 

 

As always, I admire the simple analysis you bring to bear. Your eye, both for "art" and elsewhere, is clear.

 

[snagged in outlet 3]

9 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

See, there ya go.  🙄 

Yeah, owl worshipers...... that's the ticket.   Brainwash complete. 👌 Ya know, they eat children too.   Raw! 

What’s even more disturbing is most people won’t even watch the documentary or listen with an open mind to any opposing view really.  They just close off any information that doesn’t agree with what the already believe.  How do those same people explain the Pearl Harbor “conspiracy” that turned out to be true?   

[Mitch f]

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[Mitch f]

12 hours ago, Al Agnew said:

And now, the different enemy is the people in our own country who don't agree with us politically.  We are being conditioned by domestic greed and foreign influence in social media to hate each other, and I'm not sure how we back off from that. 

 

 

I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said but would like to put a large asterisk by this last sentence of yours…

I’m blaming the division on the commies in our education system and media that are former hippies taught by the Karl Marx philosophy. They love to force people in different socioeconomic, ethnic and gender groups which creates a bunch of divided groups waring for power. You’re not an individual anymore, but part of some identity group. 
The leaders in the US (and world for that matter) of today remind me of the rich , woke hippie son that took over dads successful business he started from scratch and turned it into an unsuccessful mess.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

11 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

What they did, was manipulate a flock of certified Wacko's like Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura to head all the conspiratorial claims...

..So that anyone who didn't buy into the official story could be immediately slapped into the "crazy camp" and be forever ignored and given eye-rolls.

It's an age old media driven thought control method, that somehow still works like a charm.  

And when I say "they", I'm not assuming it was 20 or so high ranking individuals.   All it takes is 2 or 3 intelligent "chess players" with nothing else to concentrate on.   And I'm guessing that those 2-3 are not names you've ever heard mentioned on the nightly news. 

Bin Laden, for all we know, could be a 100% fictional character. Killed and thrown off a ship.....no trial or anything....cuz "we" just knew.  Right?    

Pfft.   Bullbutter! 

Louis Freeh and Tom Pickard. There are two nobody has ever heard of that had a big role in silencing the people who identified the plot and players. After the USS Cole was bombed, some in the FBI and CIA wanted to go to Yemen and investigate/surveil the people who did it. Denied. Two of those who helped orchestrate the Cole bombing? Khalid al-Mindhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi--two of the hijackers on 9/11. 

[fishinwrench]

2 hours ago, Ryan Miloshewski said:

two of the hijackers on 9/11

I was never convinced that there were actual passengers on any of the 4 planes. Not American passengers anyway. 

The number of publicly announced funeral/memorial services across the country afterwards, amazingly didn't add up.    The names given of people on planes, who allegedly perished ....never had a memorial service scheduled or published.

 

[Mitch f]

1 minute ago, fishinwrench said:

I was never convinced that there were actual passengers on any of the 4 planes. Not American passengers anyway. 

The number of publicly announced funeral/memorial services across the country afterwards, amazingly didn't add up.    The names given of people on planes, who allegedly perished ....never had a memorial service scheduled or published.

 

So maybe you could call the wives of the pentagon bound plane passengers  and talk with them