Looks Bad For Viney And Possibly A Few Others.

[Bill Babler]

I view it as a very big possibility that some of these COE parks are going to be sold to private concerns. Some may or may not continue as parks. I believe some will be developed.

Viney would make probably one of the prettiest subdivisions on the lake with water front access on both sides of the road. It would be magnificent.

If that parcel of land would come on the market there would be no telling would a developer would pay for it. On an upper scale development even in this current market 1 acres lots would be easy 25 to 50 thousand. One acre next door to me just sold for 65 grrr. and it is not near as nice as the property of viney. It does have huge majestic views and is close to God forbid Branson, in a very upscale subdivision.

[Wayne SW/MO]

I think the counties are the obvious answer. The corp should pass ownership of the ramps and parking to the county and let the county lease the campground or return it to nature.

Just like any other surplus that still has value, vehicles, fire trucks, boat ramps?

[Hunter53]

That would be the best way to go!

We all know the government won't do that though. They will sell the land for as much as possible so they can turn around and give the money to the welfare leeches; trying to buy their votes.

[fishinwrench]

"Majestic view"? Bill you're starting to sound like a real estate agent.

Careful down there, y'all don't want to become another pond like this one here, do ya?

[Champ188]

Wrench, it's sure headed that direction. I've seen summer boat traffic increase dramatically in just the 12 years that Donna and I have been here.

And I'm +1 with Hunter on the leeches ... that flippin Obama and his other liberal Dem buddies are not stupid ... they bought the votes of people who had never been to the polls before. At the expense of us working stiffs, of course.

[fishinwrench]

Well I'm tellin' ya, once TR opens the door there is a WHOLE bunch that will sell here and buy there.

And AFAIC you can have them!

[bfishn]

As mentioned, the COE has a procedure for making changes in public or private involvement thru the Real Estate Instruments chapter of the SMP. In short;

"Real estate instruments refer to leases, licenses or other legal grants issued for commercial or individual activities, which are not covered under Shoreline Use Permits. These activities involve construction of structures, including, but not limited to, masonry walkways, boat launch ramps and parking areas, roads, water lines and power lines. A written request must be submitted to the Project Office, who will make a recommendation to the district office. Each request for a license will be considered on a case-by-case basis. Assistance in preparing applications for real estate instruments is available at the Project Office."

It appears if one had a well-thought out plan and presented it in person to the Project Office, they are obligated to help you get it done.

[gitnby]

This just in! From the new Master Plan:

The entire document can be found here:

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Planning/TableRockMasterPlanUpdate.aspx

Viney Creek- This 98 acre park is located on the south shore of the White River arm near

Golden, MO (Plate PM–24). Facilities include a park booth, 46 campsites, three picnic sites,

one shower house with restrooms, one restroom, swim beach, playground, launch ramp, courtesy

dock, and RV dump station. Water is supplied by a permitted well and sewage is disposed of

through a permitted discharging system. Wastewater and sludge is intermittently removed by a

contractor.

At the drafting of this Final Master Plan, Viney Creek Park is slated for temporary closure based

on a park efficiency review process. However, the park is receptive for potential lease to public

or private entities through a real estate process.

If adequate funding becomes available for park operation future improvements include the

following: Re-open park. Rehabilitation and modernization to campsites 1- 4, and 29 - 43,

including upgrading utilities to 50 amp electric service and water to each site. Construct a group

pavilion with day use parking.

[Hazbin]

Wrench, it's sure headed that direction. I've seen summer boat traffic increase dramatically in just the 12 years that Donna and I have been here.

And I'm +1 with Hunter on the leeches ... that flippin Obama and his other liberal Dem buddies are not stupid ... they bought the votes of people who had never been to the polls before. At the expense of us working stiffs, of course.

Man Champ!, I thought you were in John Brumett camp**##