Drug Busts On CA

[Ketchup]

I dont think there is any disagreement about his death being a sad deal. We know he wasnt strapped properly with the PFD, which was a mistake on the trooper, who only had 2 days of water training, as he was a road officer.

My stand on this is, as it is with anyone that comes in contact with law enforcement due to something that requires LE to be there, is that if he was not intoxicated "Not wrenches def. of intoxicated", wasnt operating a floating death machine while in that capacity, my guess, on my professional opinion, is that he would have went to bed that evening dreaming of getting drunk the following day. Instead, he CHOSE to drink, he CHOSE to operate a boat after drinking, which led LE to make contact, which led to his death.

Another spin, if he knew he was drinking, which obviously he did, and he knew he was operating a boat, which he did,, and he cared about his own life, forget all the others on the water that he could have harmed, then he should have had his own PFD on, which would have prevented the situation. The trooper wouldnt have removed his if he had one on already before contact was made.

Yes its sad for his family, but he chose to drink, chose to operate the vessel, and that led to the contact.

[jtram]

I dont think there is any disagreement about his death being a sad deal. We know he wasnt strapped properly with the PFD, which was a mistake on the trooper, who only had 2 days of water training, as he was a road officer.

My stand on this is, as it is with anyone that comes in contact with law enforcement due to something that requires LE to be there, is that if he was not intoxicated "Not wrenches def. of intoxicated", wasnt operating a floating death machine while in that capacity, my guess, on my professional opinion, is that he would have went to bed that evening dreaming of getting drunk the following day. Instead, he CHOSE to drink, he CHOSE to operate a boat after drinking, which led LE to make contact, which led to his death.

Another spin, if he knew he was drinking, which obviously he did, and he knew he was operating a boat, which he did,, and he cared about his own life, forget all the others on the water that he could have harmed, then he should have had his own PFD on, which would have prevented the situation. The trooper wouldnt have removed his if he had one on already before contact was made.

Yes its sad for his family, but he chose to drink, chose to operate the vessel, and that led to the contact.

I shouldn't, but I will..... Drinking in itself is legal, driving after you drink is also 100% legal. People with your mindset are generally not drinkers (i applaud you, seriously ), its also people who dont drink that are usually the ones saying how intoxicated someone is and for the most part have no clue as to what is or is not drunk. DUIs are a JOKE it is a moneymaking joke one that creates more problems than it solves. DUIs criminalize drinking and hurt the working folk who cant afford the 10 g's to keep their license to get to work to support their family. Doesn't affect the well to do, they can pay for the good lawyer to keep them driving. I loathe DUIs and those who dont drink yet judge those who do.

[Smalliebigs]

I dont think there is any disagreement about his death being a sad deal. We know he wasnt strapped properly with the PFD, which was a mistake on the trooper, who only had 2 days of water training, as he was a road officer.

My stand on this is, as it is with anyone that comes in contact with law enforcement due to something that requires LE to be there, is that if he was not intoxicated "Not wrenches def. of intoxicated", wasnt operating a floating death machine while in that capacity, my guess, on my professional opinion, is that he would have went to bed that evening dreaming of getting drunk the following day. Instead, he CHOSE to drink, he CHOSE to operate a boat after drinking, which led LE to make contact, which led to his death.

Another spin, if he knew he was drinking, which obviously he did, and he knew he was operating a boat, which he did,, and he cared about his own life, forget all the others on the water that he could have harmed, then he should have had his own PFD on, which would have prevented the situation. The trooper wouldnt have removed his if he had one on already before contact was made.

Yes its sad for his family, but he chose to drink, chose to operate the vessel, and that led to the contact.

That led to the contact where an officer did not properly secure someone he had cuffed the hands of......I don't think you have to wear a lifejacket while operating a boat in Missouri if you are an adult it just has to be accessible but, I may be wrong?? Nothing that young man did justified getting thrown in the water with his hands tied together.

[jtram]

PS, I have not had a DUI, so my feelings are not a result of me feeling sorry for myself.

[Ketchup]

J,

So your statement with DUI being a joke, your opinion is let those that drink "your correct, i do not", let them drive on the roadways that my kids and family use with no recourse? Pretty bold statement. Luckily the law makers dont agree with your mindset. If so i would go on a rampage.

Ive arrested many many intoxicated drivers, and can say, with my training and common sense, that i have never, ever, arrested one that was not a hazard to the public. I have called friends, family members, and even transported a few to their residence, instead of arresting them, just to do what was right for the public. Alcohol is a very distructive addiction that ruins many many lives. Most, yes i will say most, issues where law enforcement is involved on a daily basis, has alcohol involved activities.

There are those that drink responsibly, but many others that are selfish, and idiots that could care less about their actions while drinking. Ive seen enough of it over the years to form a "professional" opinion.

[MOPanfisher]

For the conversation about Brandons Death, it doesn't matter if he was intoxicated or not, whether he won every game at coconuts or not, or even if he was a dope smoking long haired maggot infested FM Rock and Roller type (I think that was how Rush used to described them) once he was in custody and not fighting/resisting (troopers own admission) at the very least the young man died due to negligence on the part of the trooper. Lets change the story, if the trooper had arrested or taken him into custody on the road, and handcuffed him in the back of the patrol car but failed to seat belt him in, then on the way to the station he veered off the roadway because he was on his cell phone, or on his computer, rolled the car ejecting and killing the "prisoner". Would there be negligence involved, honestly I could see a better case for the car wreck being ruled an accident than the boat incident. It could be questioned whether or not a properly belted prisoner would have survived the crash. There is no question as to whether a prisoner properly outfitted with a PFD would have floated. The Type 1 mentioned in the taped interviews will float an unconscious adult face up. As much as I like the Missouri Highway Patrol, and I have friends there, I have lost a large amount of respect for the agency simply because they didn't own the mistakes that were made.

[jtram]

It sounds as if you do the right thing. I do not think driving DRUNK should be tolerated whatsoever. But just because you have a couple beers at a bar does not make one unfit to drive, but it is common to see patrons of drinking establishments targeted. Im not against "Stupid Human Trick" field tests, (I have gotten to participate in that one in my before kids days, I aced it) but .08 should not be an automatic DUI.

[Flysmallie]

If some dude offered my daughter drugs I might have to go full ghetto on him.

How long until she starts college? Of course it's not just the dudes you gotta worry about. A lot of those young ladies in high school like it too.

[fishinwrench]

Was that the Moreau family that your speaking of? If so, why did it take them 5 months to speak out? Sounds fishy to me. I think you can find better witnesses than those, if thats who your speaking of.

If not, who?

The Moreau's spoke up immediately after they heard what was being passed off as the "official story". They knew then that "someone" was not telling the truth.

Piercy has been fronted out on numerous lies, can we agree on THAT?

And he is still on the job. That to me is wrong. Not for you though, right?

[Mitch f]

How long until she starts college? Of course it's not just the dudes you gotta worry about. A lot of those young ladies in high school like it too.

I have two daughters one 13 and one almost 6. I might be a little overly sensitive to the drug thing because a good friend of mine had a daughter that committed suicide recently after a 10 year battle with heroin addiction.