Members Otis Roostertail Posted July 15, 2015 Members Posted July 15, 2015 The fantasy is the very low probability of YOU ever finding yourself in this scenario, and actually being able to do something about it in such a heroic fashion, and without any legal ramifications as others have noted, and without shooting yourself in the foot, or a bystander, or misunderstanding a situation completely and making a bad situation worse. YOU, there with your trusty sidearm and your fearless bravado saving the day, just like Batman. Thats the fantasy. I wonder how many concealed carry doofuses know how to do CPR? A skill that doesn't require a permit, no risk of carrying it, and far more commonly needed in order to "save the day" . . . . I carry concealed on a regular basis. I do not consider myself a "doofus" (sic). I am a retired deputy sheriff who became an attorney after receiving career ending injuries while making an arrest. I am CPR certified and have performed CPR more times than I like to think about. I have never had an accidental/negligent discharge. I have been on a two way range as a deputy. It is not fun. I firmly believe in the U.S. Constitution. I have had numerous death threats in my careers. I carry a fire extinguisher in my boat in case of fire. I wear a PFD in case of an unanticipated water entry. I carry concealed in case of a life threatening situation. All of these are tools I choose to carry based upon MY experience, MY education and MY training. All I ask is for folks to respect my rights and choices as I respect your First Amendment rights of speech. You may not believe in concealed carry or carrying a weapon. That is your choice based upon YOUR experience, YOUR education and YOUR training. But please, don't generally call everyone you disagree with names because they think differently than you.... Daryk Campbell Sr, Greenheadrocker and dtrs5kprs 3 Men and Fish are alike....They all get into trouble when they open their mouths....
MOBass Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I find it interesting the number of people that feel the legally armed citizen was in the wrong and feel that they presented a greater threat than three violent felons. I am further intrigued by the number of people that would put their life in the hands of a criminal, trusting that they will simply rob and move on. Daryk Campbell Sr and Otis Roostertail 2
fishinwrench Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Being a Hunter Safety Instructor, firearms accidents/incidents/ND etc. interest me. Any story behind how it happened. Type of pistol ? Modern ones shouldn't do that, however stranger things have happened, or it may have been an older single action revolver. The most recent was a member of my extended family (carry's everywhere) that shot themself in the hand while at the pawn shop in Laurie and the bullet exited the building towards the convenience store next door. No legal action was taken. Another happened at a church in Richland about a year or so ago where the gun discharged TWICE with one bullet striking two people. There was one at a nursing home in Montgomery city, someone's gun discharged as they were getting out of a car coming back from lunch and darn near blew their calf and heel off. Another was at a restaurant in Cole camp where a 10 year old girl was shot in the shoulder. That was about 4-5 years ago I think. Then there was a gal in wal-mart whose kid (riding in the cart) grabbed her gun from her purse and discharged it....but luckily nobody was hurt. (That one did make the LOCAL news, but none of the others did). Another was yet another accidental discharge at church, in St.Elizabeth I believe, a guy died a week later in the hospital. I heard about that one of the other Marina's I frequent. As far as I know there was no mention of it on the local news. They (whoever THEY are?) just don't like those kind of incidents being publicly reported too much it seems. ColdWaterFshr 1
ColdWaterFshr Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Okay, MoBass. I concede. Someday we may read an article about YOU in which you intervene and protect innocent lives and property theft. And all of us defenseless saps here in Gotham will be eternally grateful. Until that day comes . . . . you will never be Batman.
MOPanfisher Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 If the citizen had been a uniformed (or off duty) officer I would hope he would be smart enough to not chase them into the parking lot and yell stop, rather that he would have called for back-up with a very good description of the vehicle and diretion of travel. If there was a uniformed officer and the bad guy pointed a gun at him, then yep all bets are off. Even then the officer would have some legal protection in that he was attempting to do his job, the citizen would simply be an open target for being sued. My personal threshold for use of deadly force would be 1) imminent danger to my family. 2) Imminent danger to myself, 3)and a very very distant third, danger to someone else. Unless it is a situation where you know exactly what is happening it is begging for trouble, to get shot by another good guy, or a cop mistaking you for a bad guy etc. I am very comfortable around firearms, and properly carried worry not about them going unintentionally (but yeah I know it happens, most usually due to mishandling of the weapon). I know my limitations with a pistol, if we aren't close enough to be discussing fishing in a normal voice I am probably not going to be able to make good center of mass repeated hits. Having carrying concealed a few times I simply didn't like the way it made me act, I was not nearly as "free" to act normal, I felt the massive weight/responsibility of carrying a firearm on my person. Want to have a beer, nope, want to roughhouse with my kids, nope. Just didn't like that feeling.
Flysmallie Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I find it interesting the number of people that feel the legally armed citizen was in the wrong and feel that they presented a greater threat than three violent felons. I never said he was wrong, just ignorant. And if somebody would have pulled the trigger then this would be a whole different ballgame. Besides, HE DID NOTHING, he did not stop the robbery. He did not catch the criminals. He just wanted to be the hero. Good thing he has an audience to applaud him so we can get more armed citizens involved. There was a guy here is Springfield or someplace close a couple of weeks ago that saw a person going through his vehicle. He immediately runs outside and starts shoot. Yeah he got the guy and the cops found and arrested him. This is another hero that thwarted another savage attack on society. Of course he put 4 or 5 bullet holes in his own vehicle but another hero nonetheless. Â Â
MOPanfisher Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Having read enough accident reports I can guess on how most of those accidental/negligent discharges happened , with the exception of the child reaching into moms purse they are all examples of poor handling, no question about it. I like gun stores, gun shows shooting ranges, I like guns. But be around those things very long and you will see more than a few idiots, poor to outright dangerous examples of handling, shooting, and often times outright idiotic statements. There are plenty of darn good men and women carrying out there, most often we don't know that they are, correctly so.
drew03cmc Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 There are plenty of misguided people that want to prevent legal firearm ownership and other that are just as bad that want to regulate it to the point of firearms being museums pieces. Pretending otherwise is naïve. Perhaps you should re read the 2nd Amendment, specifically it contains the language 'shall not be infringed'. It does not state you can own them, but they must be locked up. It may surprise you that people can own firearms, carry concealed, and do so safely and effectively. Thousands of people do it everyday and the streets are not running red with blood, there are not shoot outs on every street corner, and more than one crime is prevented by the mere presence of a firearm in the hands of a potential victim. Explain then how we have thousands times more recorded gun deaths than the next closest nation? Yes, the line 'shall not be infringed' means you can keep and bear arms, well done. The few who wish to remove guns from the equation, cannot and will not succeed, much like those who want perpetual war in the Middle East likely will not succeed without a warmonger president. Andy
Haris122 Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 I have a little .22lr ppk type pistol that I had got for my sister, and I'll tell you what, that thing is relatively speaking a new gun/design but if anyone would carry that on them, I'd guarantee you there'd be an accidental discharge at some point in time. I had some at the shooting range from just pulling the slide back and letting it go forward on its own, even though the safety was engaged. Went automatic for a couple rounds, slamfiring, until it jammed, which it does quite frequently too. Does the same randomly sometime too, after a few rounds, going into auto. I have to date to find more than 1 brand of ammo that I'm remotely comfortable shooting through that thing more than 1 round in the magazine, and 1 in the chamber at a time. Just saying, if you are going to carry, put a lot of time into learning the gun, cause first few times I took that thing out, it didn't do that (jammed a ton, but not that). It just so happened I was using the sole brand of ammo not to notice it doing that at first.
fishinwrench Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Having read enough accident reports I can guess on how most of those accidental/negligent discharges happened , with the exception of the child reaching into moms purse they are all examples of poor handling, I group "Mom leaving a loaded gun with the safety off" just laying in her purse right in there with Poor Handling. It could have just as easily discharged while she was digging for a tampon.
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