Braid to Flurocarbon

[Browning Guy]

My 11 year old is having trouble with his fluro twisting while fishing wacky worms, flukes, grubs, underspins, etc on his spinning rods.  He closes the bail by hand as required, but the P-line and Seaguar fluro twists like crazy after an hour of fishing. Spooling it on correctly. 

Went to braid with a 3' - 4' fluro leader, tying the.... loop the braid/wrap 4 times/wrap four times back through the loop and cinch down knot.  Wetting the lines and cinching down well.  The knots look great.  The problem - when he's casting and on some hook sets the line is breaking at the knot (I think).  All that comes back is a frayed end on the braid. Using St. Croix spinning rods with ceramic guides.  I put 10 # and 15 # aqua green Power Pro on his spinning reels so he can see the line easier for the lighter bites. What am I doing wrong? Bad spots in the braid? or is it the knot?  Danged if we do danged if we don't.  Thanks guys!

[m&m]

BC, I am no expert but I use fluorocarbon line on my spinning rods. For wacky worms and flukes I use a light weight swivel about 18" above the hook. The leader is the same line I have spooled on the reel. This eliminates line twist and the weight of the swivel doesn't interfere. I use the Palomar knot only. Again, I am no expert but this works for me. I'm sure others have additional solutions. 

Mike

[pb4bass]

I use 30# PP Hi Vis and 6# Fluoro Leader. I wrap 7-9 times down and 7-9 times back and have had no breaks at the knot.

Flukes are notorious for twist, so I also use a light swivel up the line.

 

PB

[eyedabassman]

Like M & M posted use a small swivel. But I tie a San Diego jam knot. It is a VERY easy knot to tie and very strong knot. Just google it to see how to tie it. I have NEVER had that knot slip or brake!

[1farmer]

BC, I tie the same knot, have had the best luck by looping the fluoro and making 7 to 10 wraps with the braid. Lite braid doesn't hold up very well in sharp rocks, this could be the culprit as the braid may become frayed and be breaking above the knot.

 

[Browning Guy]

29 minutes ago, m&m said:

BC, I am no expert but I use fluorocarbon line on my spinning rods. For wacky worms and flukes I use a light weight swivel about 18" above the hook. The leader is the same line I have spooled on the reel. This eliminates line twist and the weight of the swivel doesn't interfere. I use the Palomar knot only. Again, I am no expert but this works for me. I'm sure others have additional solutions. 

Mike

My next stop was to go to a swivel for him.  I have some Mustad #12's that hold up to 40# and thought the same.  Getting used to a swivel on the line will be an adjustment, but probably the best solution.  Thanks for the help.

[Browning Guy]

9 minutes ago, 1farmer said:

BC, I tie the same knot, have had the best luck by looping the fluoro and making 7 to 10 wraps with the braid. Lite braid doesn't hold up very well in sharp rocks, this could be the culprit as the braid may become frayed and be breaking above the knot.

 

We were fishing wacky worms in the "lava rock" in a pocket and I suspect this could be the culprit. I don't have a lot of experience with braid, but changed over to it while crappie fishing vertically to avoid line twist and it was working great (not fishing in the rocks).  Hoped the braid would play well in the rocks, but......... Thank you!

[vernon]

22 hours ago, BrowningCollector.com said:

My next stop was to go to a swivel for him.  I have some Mustad #12's that hold up to 40# and thought the same.  Getting used to a swivel on the line will be an adjustment, but probably the best solution.  Thanks for the help.

I finally relented a while back and started incorporating the swivel but I hate it just as bad as I thought I would when I refused to use one!

I've finally found an old 7 foot GLoomis bait casting rod that I'd had for years that pairs up well enough with a Lew's Tournament Pro reel that I can throw 'em on bait casting which helps some.  

Obviously twist is still an issue it just takes a lot longer to occur.  Once it becomes too much I just bite the bullet and cut the line and drag it out behind the boat and then start all over.  That works with spinning gear too but you spend a lot more time dragging that's for sure.

I hate using leaders almost as bad as swivels but that's just the dummy in me I'm sure.

 

[Fish24/7]

some spinning reels just twist your line no matter what because of the way they are made. Pflueger had some in the 80's that were so poorly made you wonder if the person who designed it even fished..  

pb4bass, 1farmer more wraps in the knots i agree with that

that will help a little bit

back off the drag a touch if it's breaking on hook sets too

[dwiebenga]

My recommendation is learn the "Improved/Reverse Albright" knot.  I have been using it for about 2 years, and the vast majority of break offs are at the bait.