FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

[MoCarp]

36 minutes ago, Quillback said:

Where's all the other carp guys you claim are out there that I don't see? 

Showing old pictures of yourself holding carp, doesn't help the case you are trying to make that there's people out there, besides yourself, Euro style carp fishing.  Locally.

old?...ok heres some fresh like this fall..and a nice bass that hit a boilie..all from friends this fall right here in the white river chain O lakes....have plenty more just these are "better" fish...don't catch 30# every day any more than you catch 10# bass every day

[tjm]

Mocarp, you don't want to encourage others to fish for carp or to enjoy eating them, at least your posts aren't geared towards that, what you are advocating is getting more regulations and in particular regulations preventing two three user groups from any further practice of their methods. 

You would prohibit bow fishing. You would prohibit gigging. You would restrict or prohibit carp consumption. You would do this universally, not just in pay to fish ponds that you reference so often in europe/greatbritain.  You come across as anti fishing, as do most groups that would restrict my pleasure/sport to possibly increase theirs.

Once you have achieved your goals of regulating the carp to one fish a week over 39# as a creel limit where will these hordes of bank fisher-people  sit to watch the alarms? 99.44% of the Ozarks seems to be posted private or boating access only.

Regulations will eventually end fishing for all but the wealthy elite, just as in your europe the fishing has been since the middle ages. In briton there traditionally are two kinds of fisher-people; lords and poachers.  Pay to fish is a relative new thing there, fish still are controlled by the wealthy.  And I expect the real fishermen are still poachers. Your ancestors probably fled from that region and that mentality. Considering that in order to make the pay to fish work there needs to be no public fishing allowed, it is not surprising that europeans want to prohibit our pubic fishing for carp so they can build and rent pond fishing.

You might gain more converts by describing how good carp taste and how to properly dress a carp.  Pictures of heaping platters of delicious  fillets being consumed by happy people. I've been encouraging carp consumption for fifty years and have gained  a few converts.  Set up a Carp fry and invite all OAF, MDC, and any other players for a Carp feast. Need to work on getting lots of stream bank access where we can sit to bait fish too.

[tjm]

Nice fish, if I were you, I'd keep quiet and enjoy the very liberal carp regulations that exist. If all the fish were trophy size it'd be no challenge to catch one that big. Half the challenge is finding that special location.

[BilletHead]

51 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

 

 

 

   If that is a thirty pounder well done. I know you are a big guy and dwarf that fish. Did you get a certified weight?  Here is a thirty five and thirty six pound fish, I am six foot tall without the large frame you carry. They were weighed on a certified scale and photo taken at a conservation office. Did not release. These were shot and the best cuts consumed. 

  BilletHead

 

[MoCarp]

I own a reuben heaton that was certified in TX..I need to re cert it in Missouri and yeah..I make fish look small 6-4 and way to fat..but getting smaller...every day....

[snagged in outlet 3]

1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

 

Smallest 30 pounder I’ve ever seen. 

[Mitch f]

25 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

I make fish look small 6-4 and way to fat..but getting smaller...every day....

Now I get it, you’ve been on a diet and are cranky and have to occupy your time so you won’t be thinking about snacks!

[MOPanfisher]

Eat carp it's healthier for you.

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Mocarp, you don't want to encourage others to fish for carp or to enjoy eating them, at least your posts aren't geared towards that, what you are advocating is getting more regulations and in particular regulations preventing two three user groups from any further practice of their methods. 

The rule in Texas is one fish over 33" prepay by any method kill as many as you want under that...in CT its one fish over 30" and 5 per day...and no kill tourneys on fish 30" and over...I whole hardly encourage selective harvest on common carp prepared correctly they are excellent eating

1 hour ago, tjm said:

You would prohibit bow fishing. You would prohibit gigging. You would restrict or prohibit carp consumption. You would do this universally, not just in pay to fish ponds that you reference so often in europe/greatbritain.  You come across as anti fishing, as do most groups that would restrict my pleasure/sport to possibly increase theirs.

not true..I think certain areas should be off limits to discourage poaching or disrupting spawns...like in walleye areas in spring or trophy/wintering holes of ozark streams.....as far as fair as I practice my fishing it has zero effect on your fun...yet if you have UNLIMITED Bfing in places I fish or other like me who fish..you have the ability to take away my sport how is that fair?

in effect should you be able to shoot gamefish? harvest is harvest isn't it?

I reference the EU because its an economic boon.....and continues to grow..

me anti? ROLMAO....I am about wise use of a fish resource...a fish dinner every now and then is fine...but IMHO it should be the exception rather than there rule

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Once you have achieved your goals of regulating the carp to one fish a week over 39# as a creel limit where will these hordes of bank fisher-people  sit to watch the alarms? 99.44% of the Ozarks seems to be posted private or boating access only.

There are about 3 places in the state of Missouri that would benefit from trophy carp regs...the CT model of one fish over 30" and five per day and no- kill on big fish for tourneys would work, if the sampling warranted more harvest you change it....you could still have your fun with zero issues....works for trout..it would work for carp

 

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Regulations will eventually end fishing for all but the wealthy elite, just as in your europe the fishing has been since the middle ages. In briton there traditionally are two kinds of fisher-people; lords and poachers.  Pay to fish is a relative new thing there, fish still are controlled by the wealthy.  And I expect the real fishermen are still poachers. Your ancestors probably fled from that region and that mentality. Considering that in order to make the pay to fish work there needs to be no public fishing allowed, it is not surprising that europeans want to prohibit our pubic fishing for carp so they can build and rent pond fishing.

If you have not noticed that has been going on in  hunting lands for a while now..."better" means you pay more $...when will it happen in fishing?  IDK.... I could see a lake property owner building dedicated carp swims and charging people to fishing camping on them

 

1 hour ago, tjm said:

You might gain more converts by describing how good carp taste and how to properly dress a carp.  Pictures of heaping platters of delicious  fillets being consumed by happy people. I've been encouraging carp consumption for fifty years and have gained  a few converts.  Set up a Carp fry and invite all OAF, MDC, and any other players for a Carp feast. Need to work on getting lots of stream bank access where we can sit to bait fish too.

They do that in other states...perhaps I would rather do that for LMB in places the have big heads and skinny bodies....I think small carp are great eating...personally smoked then flaked and mixed with mayo on crackers is fricking awesome....and we do need more quality bank access if I was chasing changes that would be higher on the agenda....but as usual private sector gets things done.....

 

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Nice fish, if I were you, I'd keep quiet and enjoy the very liberal carp regulations that exist. If all the fish were trophy size it'd be no challenge to catch one that big. Half the challenge is finding that special location.

thats the kicker...20# carp are not any more common than 8# LMB on TR...are they there absolutely! but far from common

[MoCarp]

3 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

Now I get it, you’ve been on a diet and are cranky and have to occupy your time so you won’t be thinking about snacks!

I have been losing weight slow but steady since my 8 month stay in hospital....and talk about smoked fish on crackers makes me hungry.....not on a diet as much as life style changes....

Just now, MOPanfisher said:

Eat carp it's healthier for you.

carp and trout are a bit to rich...I usually go walleye or crappie cooked with lemon in a foil pouch backed in the oven (or on the grill)