MDC Rant

[tjm]

Limit changes every year, according to some estimate but that may be from the number car kills, Idk, maybe if the number of dead cars goes up they raise the limit. Last few years  I haven't even counted how many  tags they sold me, so not even aware of how many are possible, but I guess if they have run out of tags they may be getting low on deer too. Never heard of that situation.  Has it happened to you?

[MoCarp]

Interesting post my take is this;

1# you don’t own the land you pay to be on it in our current economic system. “Your” land was there hundreds of thousands if not millions of years and will be there when your bones are fossilized with man long gone!

Rules are in place so you or I can’t irreparably change the wildlife ability to inhabit favorable habitats. Some land owners are good stuards some sadly are not.

the Amish/Minninite communitys regularly violate game laws, and according to my aquantances in the MDC give them a good deal of of their hard earned $ in fines.

no system is perfect and the people in them can make mistakes. One reason information and oversite is required.

The push of tracking the people who chase fish and wildlife, is to crack down on felons and dead beat dads who flaunt the judgments (right or wrong) and continue hunt/fish and harvest critters.

 

[jdmidwest]

7 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

This only holds water if after a certain number of tags are sold, no more are available to be bought.    At what point do you think MDC would say "Sorry, no tags left"?  😂

In a way, they do limit the tags available. In my county, you are only allowed 1 firearm deer, no additional antlerless tags.  Neighboring counties allow a second tag.

On the other hand, MDC went from wildlife management to Trophy Sportsman managers with the antler point restrictions.  They started promoting the big game hunter appeal instead of just trying to regulate the population of the herd.

Personally, it is my opinion that deer have exceeded the carrying capacity of most of their areas and rampant disease like blue tongue and cwd is the way nature will step in to control the overpopulation.

 

[Ketchup]

7 hours ago, tjm said:

 

Since you said the neighbor is feeding those deer that you think are yours;   shouldn't you pay your half of the feed bill?

 

I paid my part when i was running cattle on the property. 

[Ketchup]

6 hours ago, MoCarp said:

Interesting post my take is this;

1# you don’t own the land you pay to be on it in our current economic system. “Your” land was there hundreds of thousands if not millions of years and will be there when your bones are fossilized with man long gone!

 

 

A deeded piece of property with my name on it would prove your words wrong, as well as the legal system. Because it is mine, i can sell it, pass it down, trade it, donate it, etc. Yes it is mine as long as im alive. 

[Johnsfolly]

10 minutes ago, jdmidwest said:

In a way, they do limit the tags available. In my county, you are only allowed 1 firearm deer, no additional antlerless tags.  Neighboring counties allow a second tag.

On the other hand, MDC went from wildlife management to Trophy Sportsman managers with the antler point restrictions.  They started promoting the big game hunter appeal instead of just trying to regulate the population of the herd.

Personally, it is my opinion that deer have exceeded the carrying capacity of most of their areas and rampant disease like blue tongue and cwd is the way nature will step in to control the overpopulation.

 

The antler restrictions along with the liberal antlerless tags created a more effective tool to manage the herds. They limited the harvest of young bucks by guys that wanted meat over antlers which shifted meat hunting to does. Kill one doe and you effectively remove three deer out of next years herd size. Possibly 5 to 6 out of the following year and so on. One buck only takes out one buck. In many places that signficantly dropped the population where the MDC has shifted the nimber of tags that you can purchase in those areas to prevent possible overharvest. 

For those ranting on this thread about overpopulation of deer are glossing over tthe fact that the MDC are not the ones deciding to pull the trigger or not. They only set the regulations. Wrench your neighbors and yourself are the ones to blame for the abundant deer in your area. With all the farming in MO there is an artificially high carrying capacity.. As JDW stated disease is always a way to vastly rebalamce a population. We just don't like seeing it.

Its a similar issue with bass size in many impoundments. If folks all advocate catch and release there is the potential to have abundant but stunted bass. Slot limits that allow harvest of small bass are only effective if people harvest those small bass.

[Johnsfolly]

11 hours ago, Ketchup said:

why does the MDC need my personal info?

Other than to track land owners, individuals, I cannot think of a reason they need it, nor a reason a property owner needs tags. Simply set a harvest limit, and let the honest landowners abide by those, without the feeling of being “watched”. 

Likely giving away more information by being on this forum or buying airguns and materials on line than the MDC is getting from your farm tags.

[bfishn]

26 minutes ago, Ketchup said:

...Because it is mine, i can sell it, pass it down, trade it, donate it, etc. Yes it is mine as long as im alive. 

...unless they sell it on the courthouse steps for back taxes, or take it by E.D. to build a highway, lake, or wall across it, or some prosecutor claims a portion of it was paid for with ill-gotten gains...

[MOPanfisher]

Deer belong to th people of the state of missouri and are managed by the state is always how I have understood it.  Pele wanted more big bucks and more deer, thus along came Antler Point restrictions, then CWD and the restrictions have largely gone away.  Now I am not sure there is a legal limit to the number of deer I can kill on my property, I (well my wife anyway ) can quickly surpass the number that I want to process.  I well remember seasons when I hunted that no deer were killed, now it's a matter of how many.  I used to care about deer, now that I don't hunt them and they are not "rare", I am way more concerned about how many walleye are stocked in my area lakes.   If MDC  can glean any information from the data I provide to them, then more power to them.  Maybe they can give me some investment advice or tell me how to keep my wife from spending so much.

[MoCarp]

2 hours ago, Ketchup said:

A deeded piece of property with my name on it would prove your words wrong, as well as the legal system. Because it is mine, i can sell it, pass it down, trade it, donate it, etc. Yes it is mine as long as im alive. 

So said the bull mastodon 20k Years ago this is “ mine” (insert masadon trumpet sound)

1 hour ago, bfishn said:

...unless they sell it on the courthouse steps for back taxes, or take it by E.D. to build a highway, lake, or wall across it, or some prosecutor claims a portion of it was paid for with ill-gotten gains...

True, or find out 1/2 the property is really on someone else’s survey!