What the Heck?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I’ll say it.  I get it but I hate those things. 

Their legal use of the water hinders my legal use but my legal use doesn’t hinder anyone else’s legal use.  

 

i have the same feelings about boat docks.

bo

[fishinwrench]

4 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I’ll say it.  I get it but I hate those things. 

Their legal use of the water hinders my legal use but my legal use doesn’t hinder anyone else’s legal use.  

 

It SHOULD, by preventing them from creating tsunamis within a certain distance from you.    

The water patrol has plenty of time to police that.  Start calling and reporting it.  Nobody from MSHP is going to tell you that you are NOT responsible for your wake.   Push the issue and they have to take action.

[snagged in outlet 3]

17 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

It SHOULD, by preventing them from creating tsunamis within a certain distance from you.    

The water patrol has plenty of time to police that.  Start calling and reporting it.  Nobody from MSHP is going to tell you that you are NOT responsible for your wake.   Push the issue and they have to take action.

The last few years they congregate in the long creek arm of the lake right around the state line.  It’s a very narrow part of the lake and they get 4-5 of them going and it’s ridiculous.  

We have quit boating all together except early week days.  

[edwin]

RPS - glad to see you got out there despite the crowded ramp.  

Question for ya - the ill mannered folks you mentioned.  Were they the guys fishing the T, or the wake boat that came back and forth three times?  

Also, I appreciate the comment "Talked with Colin, the HI concessionaire, when I came in. He told me he made very little money off the fishermen. They all had gas and oil when they arrived and bought no items other than a few pizzas and beer."    If you asked Colin what he thought about the wake boat crowd, I'd venture to guess he's more than happy to see them show up and buy gas, food, drinks, and ice.   I know for certain that the folks at Hideaway, Cape Fair, and Hwy 13 sure were happy to split my $2100 in gas money last season.  Finally, I've never seen a more grateful bunch of people when you throw em a $10 tip for helping with the gas and holding the boat.  You can guess what they have to say about the folks like Colin mentions above.  Just my opinion, but without the wake / pleasure boaters, Colin and the rest of the places like his would be in a pickle.  

Tight lines,

Edwin 

 

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, edwin said:

RPS - glad to see you got out there despite the crowded ramp.  

Question for ya - the ill mannered folks you mentioned.  Were they the guys fishing the T, or the wake boat that came back and forth three times?  

Also, I appreciate the comment "Talked with Colin, the HI concessionaire, when I came in. He told me he made very little money off the fishermen. They all had gas and oil when they arrived and bought no items other than a few pizzas and beer."    If you asked Colin what he thought about the wake boat crowd, I'd venture to guess he's more than happy to see them show up and buy gas, food, drinks, and ice.   I know for certain that the folks at Hideaway, Cape Fair, and Hwy 13 sure were happy to split my $2100 in gas money last season.  Finally, I've never seen a more grateful bunch of people when you throw em a $10 tip for helping with the gas and holding the boat.  You can guess what they have to say about the folks like Colin mentions above.  Just my opinion, but without the wake / pleasure boaters, Colin and the rest of the places like his would be in a pickle.  

Tight lines,

Edwin 

 

 

well, boat docks used to cater to fisherman, and we bought gas, pop and ice, and snacks at the marinas because they did cater to us.  but, along came the pleasure boat crowd and the fisherman got kicked to the curb so to speak and pretty much were not really welcome around the marinas.  cambell point comes to mind very quickly.

now back to the big pleasure boats and wake boats.  does what you spend justify all the damage that is done from the big wakes?  not to mention the fact that those in smaller vessels are put in peril to be out on the lake.  those big waves are not just tearing up many docks, but also the lake shore is massively being eroded.  does it justify for many others that use the lake to actually not be safe out on the water in their boat??  does it justify you wake actually going over the side of other boats and filling them full of water???

and speaking of your $2100.00 dollars worth of gas for the season, back when i fished all the time i burned more than that a month.  but, every business can cater to the crowd they want to.  so, in many instances it is not entirely what it seems about who does business with who.  the fisherman have become outnumbered for sure,  but the smaller craft owners still have a right to use the water and not be in peril while out there.  and that is where we are at unfortunately.

bo

[rps]

36 minutes ago, edwin said:

RPS - glad to see you got out there despite the crowded ramp.  

Question for ya - the ill mannered folks you mentioned.  Were they the guys fishing the T, or the wake boat that came back and forth three times?  

Also, I appreciate the comment "Talked with Colin, the HI concessionaire, when I came in. He told me he made very little money off the fishermen. They all had gas and oil when they arrived and bought no items other than a few pizzas and beer."    If you asked Colin what he thought about the wake boat crowd, I'd venture to guess he's more than happy to see them show up and buy gas, food, drinks, and ice.   I know for certain that the folks at Hideaway, Cape Fair, and Hwy 13 sure were happy to split my $2100 in gas money last season.  Finally, I've never seen a more grateful bunch of people when you throw em a $10 tip for helping with the gas and holding the boat.  You can guess what they have to say about the folks like Colin mentions above.  Just my opinion, but without the wake / pleasure boaters, Colin and the rest of the places like his would be in a pickle.  

Tight lines,

Edwin 

 

 

The bad manners were a few of the tournament fishermen. I was fishing up the side of a point, and a boat pulled up on the other side, maybe a  cast between us,  and also began fishing toward the point end. I was fishing the space between some docks and someone ran WOT past the docks, well inside the no wake buoy. Last, and most irritating, more than one boat plowed rather than idled through the no wake zone at the HI marina.

As for the wake boat, it docks at HI as well. I know the folks. Pretty nice actually.That does not mean I like their boat. Here in the skinny end, there is no where to go to get away from them.

[edwin]

40 minutes ago, merc1997 said:

well, boat docks used to cater to fisherman, and we bought gas, pop and ice, and snacks at the marinas because they did cater to us.  but, along came the pleasure boat crowd and the fisherman got kicked to the curb so to speak and pretty much were not really welcome around the marinas.  cambell point comes to mind very quickly.

now back to the big pleasure boats and wake boats.  does what you spend justify all the damage that is done from the big wakes?  not to mention the fact that those in smaller vessels are put in peril to be out on the lake.  those big waves are not just tearing up many docks, but also the lake shore is massively being eroded.  does it justify for many others that use the lake to actually not be safe out on the water in their boat??  does it justify you wake actually going over the side of other boats and filling them full of water???

and speaking of your $2100.00 dollars worth of gas for the season, back when i fished all the time i burned more than that a month.  but, every business can cater to the crowd they want to.  so, in many instances it is not entirely what it seems about who does business with who.  the fisherman have become outnumbered for sure,  but the smaller craft owners still have a right to use the water and not be in peril while out there.  and that is where we are at unfortunately.

bo

Sir - I don't disagree with you one bit...not one.  I've owned 4 bass boats and 3 shallow draft inboard ski boats (think 3-4 inch wake, not 3-4 feet) so I'm keenly aware of the big wake issues.  Heck, the reason we sold our last small ski boat is that we were relegated to using the lake before 10:30am on weekends...after that it sat on the lift all day.  

There are a few things that I try to keep in mind re: time on the water at TRL. 1) I work a ton of hours, have a very busy family with limited free time , so I have to fit in time when I can go...and that means being on the water with the crowd and the BS associated with it. Not my preference but it's what I've got.  2)If I'm going to be on the water, I need to have a boat that's appropriate for the conditions that I'm entering.  3) There are an increasing number of big boats operated by folks that haven't a clue about safety and being courteous of others.  4) The wake boats get the bad rap (deservedly so, BTW) as they're normally going / doing something, vs sitting and swimming.  They create more opportunity to negatively impact others' enjoyment of the water.  5) Most importantly of all, a vast majority of the folks that are throwing out the 4' wake buzzing past you, my dock, close to shore, etc. are clueless / oblivious to the fact that they are causing challenges to other.   6) Finally, I fully expect there will be some sort of legislation that will limit the wake enhancing capability of these boats.  Going to be a long time out, but I see it happening at some point in time.  

I can't guarantee too many things, but this one if for sure - you'll never see my boat go even remotely close to a boat that's sitting still, we'll find an area out of the way as to not pass docks, we hang it up for the day when the conditions don't allow, and you'll get a friendly wave anytime we pass each other on the water.  

 

 

 

[Champ188]

For some who may not have been around here long, Edwin is a longtime member who used to post a lot of good information before he sold his bass rig. He is not the enemy. At all. 

[snagged in outlet 3]

Like I said I get it.  We grew up screwing rollers skate trucks on pieces of wood back in the 70’s.  It definitely looks cool as hell.  I don’t know the answer so everyone can enjoy the lake they way they want to though.   

[Noodle]

Just a thought, maybe not a great one and if it’s been mentioned previously I missed it.  But, my understanding is that during spoonbill season we are required to pass the spoonbillers at idle speed.  Why can’t the same stipulation be applied to wake boats and smaller vessels?  If throwing wakes at spoonbillers is a safety issue, throwing big wakes should be considered across the board, all times of the year. I had a situation in Woolley last year with a wake boat where I was scared to death—thought I was going under.  The wakes are why I will only night fish pretty much from the first of May until the end of September.  I don’t necessarily want to do away with wake boats, but there needs to be more safety regulations so all can enjoy the lake safely.  And, I have nothing against spoonbillers or idling past them, just trying to transfer the courtesy to all of us.