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[45acp]

27 minutes ago, top_dollar said:

                The problem is that the vast majority of experiments fail.

Experiments can only fail when the one doing the experimenting has a preconceived notion of success.

You're a young buck full of piss and vinegar.  Time and experience will temper that.  You'll understand what I mean one of these years.

[fishinwrench]

13 minutes ago, 45acp said:

Experiments can only fail when the one doing the experimenting has a preconceived notion of success.

If your occupation is a scientist then being successful just means that you continue to have money to pay your bills.

I know alot of successful mechanics that can't properly fix anything. But yet another year has passed and they will still be out Christmas shopping.  

[top_dollar]

Just now, fishinwrench said:

If your occupation is a scientist then being successful just means that you continue to have money to pay your bills.

I know alot of successful mechanics that can't properly fix anything. But yet another year has passed and they will still be out Christmas shopping.  

I'm pretty sure being successful in any occupation means having the money to pay your bills.  I don't do what I do for free.  Once again, though, you are misunderstanding/misrepresenting the role of the scientist.  A mechanics job is to successfully repair a boat motor.  My job is not to successfully fix/repair/ or do anything, but to better understand the nature of a very specific set of interactions.  Good or bad, i report my results, and i follow it down that rabbit hole.  Often it goes nowhere, but that information still has to be learned.  I do not falsify information to remain employed, nor do elongate experiments or whatever to secure funding.  I may be misunderstanding you, but It seems like you're insinuating that I (or any other scientist) do. 

[top_dollar]

24 minutes ago, 45acp said:

Experiments can only fail when the one doing the experimenting has a preconceived notion of success.

You're a young buck full of piss and vinegar.  Time and experience will temper that.  You'll understand what I mean one of these years.

You are correct.  What you're referring to as a preconceived notion, is called a hypothesis.  I am sure you are aware of the term.  As I mentioned, if the hypothesis is incorrect, which it almost has to be, at least initially, then the experiment will fail.  That is why, when building a molecule, for instance, it takes 15 or 20 tries before you can isolate pure product.  Each time you try, you may get a bit closer, but still fail.  Imagine closing your eyes, and trying to work your way through a maze.  Eventually you will learn from mistakes what not to do, but you will never get through on your first try.

[fishinwrench]

9 minutes ago, top_dollar said:

I may be misunderstanding you, but It seems like you're insinuating that I (or any other scientist) do.

I am indeed saying that some do.  Not necessarily "intentionally falsify", but yeah I think you pretty much understood what I was trying to say.  Only a slight pouty twist on it.....but that's ok, I understand.

I sometimes purposely don't fully inspect the gears in a guys outboard if I know that he can't afford to repair them anyway and he/she didn't specifically ask me to.   So I guess technically I'm no better. 

[ness]

Did I tell you guys I had some foxes in the front yard one time?

[top_dollar]

Just now, fishinwrench said:

I am indeed saying that some do.  Not necessarily "intentionally falsify", but yeah I think you pretty much understood what I was trying to say.  Only a slight pouty twist on it.....but that's ok, I understand.

So yes then you are 100% incorrect.

[fishinwrench]

9 minutes ago, ness said:

Did I tell you guys I had some foxes in the front yard one time?

Are you sure that this "fox" was properly identified as a fox ?    I mean....people have border Collies that look kinda like foxes.    😂

Unless you had a DNA sample examined by a certified foxologist I think it's very irresponsible for you to make a BLANKET STATEMENT like that.

[45acp]

4 minutes ago, top_dollar said:

What you're referring to as a preconceived notion, is called a hypothesis.  I am sure you are aware of the term. 

Not exactly, and yes, thank you, hypothesis is a big word, but I am familiar with its meaning.

Hypothesis is a what-if? idea.

Preconceived notion is when you, or your sugar daddy corporate pimp, has a certain outcome in mind before the experiment begins.

[ness]

8 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Are you sure that this "fox" was properly identified as a fox ?    I mean....people have border Collies that look kinda like foxes.    😂

Unless you had a DNA sample examined by a certified foxologist I think it's very irresponsible for you to make a BLANKET STATEMENT like that.

No DNA, but here's a picture I took of one of them as it ran away. What do you thing it is Dr. Fishinwrench?