COVID-19 - Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

[fishinwrench]

Wow.  It's just the opposite around here.  Where you took that pic from would be the closest place to park.  

Why aren't they all on ventilators by now?   

[tjm]

Guys, I think you're all educated enough to know that fashion masks and bandanas are not PPE. Using cloth against virus sized germs is like screening   your porch against mosquitoes with chicken wire. Or using 4' mesh as a trout net. The holes are too big.  Respirators N95, N99, or cartridge type are PPE. The only thing fashion masks/bandana/surgical masks/homemade masks protect you from is sticking your fingers in your mouth, and spitting on the sidewalk. I suspect that N95 needs to be discarded each time you take it off or twice daily or it will become a carrier rather than protection. A 'buff' might be like using a barbed wire fence against mosquitoes. It is good that people learn not to spit on the sidewalk but it is stupidity to call these things personal protection.

[fishinwrench]

Are people making masks from vacuum cleaner bags?  The wife tried to buy some yesterday and they were all bought out.

Have they determined that the virus is airborne now or something?   If it's not airborne then why all the concern about the quality of the masks?

[ness]

1 hour ago, Mitch f said:

Devastating to the economy

First time I was over that way in a while, and it was really something to see. Behind me are pads with an IHOP, Verizon store, mattress store. Dead. To the left is a Super Target that was overflowing though. 

[Terrierman]

Springfield looks almost back to normal in a lot of places.

[Mitch f]

I see it was not a mall, sorry

[ness]

25 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

Springfield looks almost back to normal in a lot of places.

Depends on where I go.

Grocery stores, liquor stores, Lowes/Home Depot/Ace, nurseries are all very busy. Power malls, like in my picture, are dead. Strip centers -- it depends on the tenants. The big old-school mall in Overland Park, KS, which is one of the few remaining that does well, is closed. I dunno, maybe 100-150 tenants? The Plaza in KC is dead from what I hear. That's really expensive real estate, and they already have high turnover. I bet there's a lot of those shops and restaurants that close permanently. Hotels and theaters are dead. AMC, the big theater chain based in KC, furloughed everybody, including execs.

All this commercial real estate is owned by investors who usually got a chunk of their money from a bank loan. Tenants don't pay, so borrower can't pay, bank gets hit. I know -- boo hoo. 

Saw the knee doc the other day -- not doing elective surgeries. The hospital where his office is looked dead -- it's usually packed with people. Children's Mercy in KC laid off a bunch of people and announced their revenue is down $1 MM a day. You rural folks are probably used to hearing about hospitals having financial problems. I'm used to seeing them add multi-million dollar additions or build new hospitals to handle all the business. 

With everything closed sales tax receipts are way down for municipalities. 

I've lost track of how much they're talking about racking up the deficit. It was already a trillion, they added $2.5 trillion with stimulus and I think they're talking about another $3 trillion. You guys know who buys the lion's share of our debt, right?

I probably missed some stuff...

 

[tjm]

Stuff that is on the web

 state prison in Ks, Almost 800 people tested positive for antibodies; 100% of prisoners and staff and 4 prisoners died. (I figure 0.5% deaths)

 in Ky one prison had 450 cases and ZERO death's  (0.0% deaths)

two Ca. federal prisons  have had 823 infected inmates, two  inmates have died from the virus. Most were asymptomatic. (0.25% deaths)

 state prison in Ohio, with at least 1,828 confirmed cases among inmates, 109 staff members were also positive. No COVID-19 deaths have been reported at the prison. (0.0% deaths)
"Because we are testing everyone — including those who are not showing symptoms — we are getting positive test results on individuals who otherwise would have never been tested because they were asymptomatic,"
In ohio the prison system accounts for more than 20% of the state's cases.

Santa Barbara County has 1,032 cases with about 80% being in the two federal prisons.

Thirty-eight percent of Arkansas’ coronavirus cases are concentrated in a maximum-security prison,

"Between Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia, 3,277 inmates tested positive for the virus. Of that number, 96 percent of the inmates were asymptomatic, meaning they showed no symptoms associated with the disease."

the U.S. has  – over 2.3 million incarcerated persons more than any other country in the world

  Be interesting to know what percentage of each states infections are in prisons, because it appears that many of the "hotspots" are prisons and that if the prison numbers were subtracted that the general population is reporting almost no infections as compared to the numbers being waved around. It also appears that when all or most of a population is tested that the death rate is very small. Try to stay out of jail and we might survive this.

[Quillback]

We're partially open here in AR.  Barbershop is open, but you have to call between 8 and 10 AM to make an appointment for that day, answer a half dozen questions and if you pass the test you can go in for a haircut.  Some of the barbers in the shop I frequent are full time barbers so I am sure they will appreciate the business.

Went over to Lowes a couple of days ago, went over about 8 AM to avoid the crowds, glad I did because every time a person checks out, they wipe down the countertop and around the checkers station.  Plexiglass in place to.  Must stand apart 6 feet in line, I was third inline and it took me 10 minutes to get checked out.  Don't want to be there on a busy Saturday.

[Quillback]

2 minutes ago, tjm said:

 

  Be interesting to know what percentage of each states infections are in prisons, because it appears that many of the "hotspots" are prisons and that if the prison numbers were subtracted that the general population is reporting almost no infections as compared to the numbers being waved around. It also appears that when all or most of a population is tested that the death rate is very small. Try to stay out of jail and we might survive this.

They said something about that on the news last night, pretty good percentage of the COVID cases here in AR were in prisons.  Only about 1,000 cases statewide (active) right now.