Defunding our police..

[SpoonDog]

6 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Talk about deflecting....you never answered my question. Where did you get the 1%?

if it’s just a guess, you’re not good at guessing

 

I've only been to four of the protests in person. Some of them were only a few dozen people, some were a few thousand.  Just a bunch of folks, walking with police, carrying signs.  At the smaller protests it was just a couple speakers and a PA, mothers and fathers talking to an audience about how scared they are their kids won't come home. 

Not once, at any of them, did anyone burn anything down.  No riots, no looting.  No one flipping cars, no one throwing molotov cocktails, no one throwing bottles, no strategically placed pallets of bricks.  No shoving, no shooting, no chokeholds, no rubber bullets, no tear gas, no mace. 

So the 1% figure (and really, 1% is pretty generous) is based on my own personal experience of these protests. If some significant proportion of protestors were violent, I would've had a very different experience. 

Maybe you've gone to dozens more protests than I have, and maybe you've had dramatically different experiences at them.  Whatever percentage you think it is, I hope it's based off what you've actually experienced firsthand, and not just what someone on the television told you to believe.  Because we both know mainstream media is biased and unreliable, it'd be awkward to suggest we've drawn some unbiased, reliable conclusions from them. 

So how many protests did you have to go to, in person, to reach your conclusion?

[Mitch f]

8 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

I've only been to four of the protests in person. Some of them were only a few dozen people, some were a few thousand.  Just a bunch of folks, walking with police, carrying signs.  At the smaller protests it was just a couple speakers and a PA, mothers and fathers talking to an audience about how scared they are their kids won't come home. 

Not once, at any of them, did anyone burn anything down.  No riots, no looting.  No one flipping cars, no one throwing molotov cocktails, no one throwing bottles, no strategically placed pallets of bricks.  No shoving, no shooting, no chokeholds, no rubber bullets, no tear gas, no mace. 

So the 1% figure (and really, 1% is pretty generous) is based on my own personal experience of these protests. If some significant proportion of protestors were violent, I would've had a very different experience. 

Maybe you've gone to dozens more protests than I have, and maybe you've had dramatically different experiences at them.  Whatever percentage you think it is, I hope it's based off what you've actually experienced firsthand, and not just what someone on the television told you to believe.  Because we both know mainstream media is biased and unreliable, it'd be awkward to suggest we've drawn some unbiased, reliable conclusions from them. 

So how many protests did you have to go to, in person, to reach your conclusion?

I don’t attend protests, but based on all the reports I’ve heard from eye witness accounts, about 10-15% are rabble rousers. Question: Do you consider looting part of their protests, or do you put that in a different category? 

[jdmidwest]

I was informally invited to the Black Lives Matter, Police rallly, and Christian Prayer rally in Madison County today scheduled for Wed.  Just picked up some fresh rounds for the new AR build.  Thinking about a 4th rally, show of 2 Amendendment.,,,,   

[Johnsfolly]

5 hours ago, Terrierman said:

I ran from the cops once.  Nobody shot me though.

I was belligerent while being pulled from my vehicle and threatened to be shot by a Wrightsville beach police officer. He had his weapon partially drawn when I complied. 

[Mitch f]

15 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

I was belligerent while being pulled from my vehicle and threatened to be shot by a Wrightsville beach police officer. He had his weapon partially drawn when I complied. 

I’m just trying to get a visual😂 you’re way too nice! 

[Johnsfolly]

23 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

I’m just trying to get a visual😂 you’re way too nice! 

I was 19 at the time I was 5'6" and still in wrestling shape at 130 lbs. I was with my brother,, a fraternity brother,, and our sort of stepsister who was 16 at the time.we were drinking on the beach. I was driving so went to the car to sleep a bit to not be buzzed while driving. Our buddy came by about 30 to 40 min and asked if I was good to drive. As we were talking a pickup drove into and out of the parking area. Jeff left to go get the other two. I had to take a leak. So I drove down the road a bit. This all took place in Oct so its pretty desolate. I pulled next to a couple of houses (stilt houses) and relieved myself near one of them. As I was tending to my business some guy accosts me for relieving myself on his house. Still a little bit affected by the beer I told him that it was better than me p!%&ing on his leg and technically it was beneath his house. Why he and I didn't fight there I'll  never know. He just took off. I get back into my car drive 15 feet and am surrounded by two squad cars and a cop was pulling me out of my vehicle. He threw me against the car to frisk and cuff me. Still feeling a little p!%& and vinegar  I was refusing to get into the squad car and shouting what was I being arrested for. They kept telling me to shut up and get into the squad car. It was when I yelled that they should turn on the blinkers of my car so that I didn't have to charge the police for damages that the cop unsnapped and partially drew his gun. Then he told me that he would shoot me and he and the other cop would say that I was running and resisting arrest.  I did end up in the squad car sitting on my hands.

He drove me back to the parking area where an undercover cop in the pickup truck had detained the other three and was questioning them. I told the guy that they didn't  know anything. I told this guy what had happened. He mentioned that they have been having lots of break in. So he saw me speak to a guy that ended up going back to the beach. Then I drove down and parked in front of two dark homes where I met possibly the same guy. Then got back into my car possibly to case another home or two. Anyway none of us were arrested. We were then escorted to the Wrightsville city limits and sent on our way. Of course no one questioned what were three guys doing on a dark secluded beach with beer and a 16 yr old girl🙄.

Hey people can change.

[SpoonDog]

11 hours ago, Mitch f said:

I don’t attend protests, but based on all the reports I’ve heard from eye witness accounts, about 10-15% are rabble rousers. Question: Do you consider looting part of their protests, or do you put that in a different category? 

...oh.  Well at least you've live streamed dozens of these protests beginning to end, without editing or interruption, to really see what's happening in context.  A lot of people aren't even doing that. They're trying to pass off secondhand information like it's an eyewitness account.  Cobbling together clips and soundbites and talking heads that confirm their own worldview.  When we can compare secondhand reports with our own firsthand experiences, we can arrive at a better understanding of how representative those reports are.  You may have seen 10-15% of protestors acting up.  Maybe that isn't representative.  Maybe it's the ceiling, not the floor. 

We can agree the overwhelming number of protestors are nonviolent.  And every one of those peaceful protestors is granted the same constitutional protections you are.  That's why I don't understand how anyone can or should defend police violating the constitutional rights of peaceful protestors.  Resigning or playing possum in solidarity with officers violating the constitutional rights of peaceful protestors.  Arresting journalists, shooting them with pepper bullets, preventing them from leaving their office to do their job, in violation of their constitutional rights.  I don't know why the Don't Tread on Me crowd can suddenly justify the State violating its citizen's rights. 

I think criminal behavior should be treated as such, whether it's looting or police brutality.

[nomolites]

11 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

...oh.  Well at least you've live streamed dozens of these protests beginning to end, without editing or interruption, to really see what's happening in context.  A lot of people aren't even doing that. They're trying to pass off secondhand information like it's an eyewitness account.  Cobbling together clips and soundbites and talking heads that confirm their own worldview.

 

Insert the word “incidents” in place of the word “protests”.....

[Mitch f]

In the end Race relations will be worse not better. In their feeble posterior kissing attempts to be PC and woke, we are opening the door to more violence. Wait and see. And all of the virtue signalers will go to bed feeling better Themselves and about the fake BS they created. All is well! 

[SpoonDog]

32 minutes ago, nomolites said:

Insert the word “incidents” in place of the word “protests”.....

I get it.  Protest is constitutionally protected, and calling them something else means we don't have to think too critically about how police have responded.  I'm just saying if you think the State shouldn't violate your rights, it shouldn't be some impossible logical leap to say the State shouldn't violate other people's rights, either. 

If the way peaceful protestors have been treated was unambiguously in line with the values which define our nation, we wouldn't have to do these sort of mental gymnastics.