MoCarp Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 We have a handful of species that survived the mass extinction, why? Be interesting to know...when you are out afield there are some interesting things, mammoth/ mastodon teeth extinct bison, and the stone artifacts used by paleo peoples to hunt them.....that old log in the creek might be far older than you think, some test out ten thousand years old or more. https://mdc.mo.gov/conmag/2003/01/ancient-wood-uncovered MONKEYS? what monkeys?
Gavin Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 Wow, both of you went WAY down the rabbit hole! Do not hunt the indigenous Snarks, Boogims, or Jabberwocky’s unless Blondy gets another permit .
Dutch Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Al Agnew said: How do they know it was a Missouri strain, and not a strain from somewhere else besides Arkansas? If the occasional wolf or cougar can roam from a long way off into MO, why not a bear from Minnesota or South Dakota? As for your old timer on the Current...to have seen bears his whole life, there would have to have been a breeding population his whole life. If there was a breeding population, why did it never expand in numbers until recently? How few animals can there be in a breeding population before it dies out, gets completely inbred and unhealthy, etc.? You just about need enough animals in a breeding population to make it possible for them to be seen fairly regularly (and shot once in a while). Bears aren't known for being shy and secretive like cougars. "Old timers" have always said there were wolves around, and mountain lions, and black panthers, too. Sorry, but I don't put a lot of credence into stories like that. Put what credence you want where you want. When I was a kid, one of my brothers came home talking of seeing a “black panther” while squirrel hunting. We made fun of him. Later that week he, my older brother and I were together and saw it. It had the body shape of a cougar with a long tail and was black as coal. That was before exotic animals were kept by people in Barry County.
snagged in outlet 3 Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 I see people out on the Missouri River sandbars all the time when the river does down. Occasionally some wild stuff shows up. Everything from old rifles to old bones.
Members fisheye Posted January 19, 2021 Members Posted January 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Al Agnew said: How do they know it was a Missouri strain, and not a strain from somewhere else besides Arkansas? If the occasional wolf or cougar can roam from a long way off into MO, why not a bear from Minnesota or South Dakota? As for your old timer on the Current...to have seen bears his whole life, there would have to have been a breeding population his whole life. If there was a breeding population, why did it never expand in numbers until recently? How few animals can there be in a breeding population before it dies out, gets completely inbred and unhealthy, etc.? You just about need enough animals in a breeding population to make it possible for them to be seen fairly regularly (and shot once in a while). Bears aren't known for being shy and secretive like cougars. "Old timers" have always said there were wolves around, and mountain lions, and black panthers, too. Sorry, but I don't put a lot of credence into stories like that. Al, Take a read: https://nature.mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/downloads/black_bear_plan_2008_01-31-11.pdf If bears are hunted, they do their best to stay away from humans! Fishingwrench, this same old timer told me where his cave was on the upper Current where he made Moonshine. Went and checked out the cave myself fishinwrench 1
fishinwrench Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, fisheye said: Fishingwrench, this same old timer told me where his cave was on the upper Current where he made Moonshine. Went and checked out the cave myself Yep, I figured. The first few quarts to dribble off that coon pecker will make you see all kinds of monsters.
Al Agnew Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, fisheye said: Al, Take a read: https://nature.mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/downloads/black_bear_plan_2008_01-31-11.pdf If bears are hunted, they do their best to stay away from humans! Fishingwrench, this same old timer told me where his cave was on the upper Current where he made Moonshine. Went and checked out the cave myself Thanks...I read it. What I got from the history part of it was that there were no reported bear sightings from 1890? to 1950, and then two sightings just before AR started their restoration program. They mentioned that maybe bears were never completely eradicated from the Ozarks, but the genetic studies showed all bears coming from the AR populations. I would venture to guess that the two prior to AR's program started were just as likely, if not more so, to be wanderers from somewhere else. I just find it hard to believe that if there was a tiny population somewhere in the Ozarks, they would have never been seen during that long period of time. But it would be cool if there were some original Ozark genetics in our bears.
laker67 Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 A man was mauled and crushed to death by a bear in 1969 at Ft. Leonard Wood.
fishinwrench Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, laker67 said: A man was mauled and crushed to death by a bear in 1969 at Ft. Leonard Wood. A band of gypsy's allowed 3 to escape cages in Audrain county sometime in the '50s. They were reportedly shot a week or two later, and their full body mounts were at the museum in Mexico when I was a kid. Looked like a Mama, Daddy, and a cub. They might still be there.
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