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4 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Placebo medication and procedures are a REAL thing, and for a real reason.  

Just think about that for awhile...

Let me just give you a dandy scar while you are passed out. Then give you an excellent report when you wake up ("We got it ALL"! 🙂) ......Then just sit back and watch the amazing recovery.  👍

pla·ce·bo
[pləˈsēbō]
 
NOUN
  1. a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect:
    "his Aunt Beatrice had been kept alive on sympathy and placebos for thirty years" · 
    synonyms:
    medication · medicament · remedy · cure · nostrum · patent medicine · quack remedy · panacea · cure-all · drug · prescription · dose · treatment · physic · medicinal
    • a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.
    • a measure designed merely to calm or please someone:
      "pacified by the placebos of the previous year, they claimed a moral victory"
     
    1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

    I am gonna pass on that, but thanks.  I would sit and drink a cold beverage (Mike's hard lemonade) and we can make a small scar if it makes ya feel better.  Oddly cancer doesn't respond well to placebo treatments and if it doesn't work you die.  I will take my chances with the slower death of chemotherapy for now.

                               BINGO!

         Pat during her treatment was approached about doing a couple trials which she did. We to this day do not know if she got the real thing or the placebo. Hers was not for a psychological effect but to help someone down the road. Her regular treatment was not altered but this was an addition.  

"We have met the enemy and it is us",

Pogo

   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend"

Lefty Kreh

    " Never display your knowledge, you only share it"

Lefty Kreh

         "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!"

BilletHead

    " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting"

BilletHead

  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs"

BilletHead

Posted

Well I was plenty relaxed but my ears couldn't handle the pressure. 

Supposed to try again tomorrow after some medication. 

oneshot 

Posted
On 6/18/2022 at 2:17 AM, fishinwrench said:

Medicine is more perfect and statistically less harmful and more easily recoverable than attempts at surgical procedures, by a huge margin.   

I grew up around doctors and surgeons, my parents were both hobknobs in the medical profession.   Plus I have bunches of customers that are as well.   I'm not even willing to eat their potato salad......So I'll be darned if I'm gonna be gambling my life to them unless the chance that I can recover naturally, or continue to live a halfway decent life is absolutely 100% not possible.   

That's just ME though.   If you wanna get your Covid and Monkeypox vaccine, have your tonsils removed, your breasts smashed, and your colon irrigated every couple years.......then you just go right ahead.   👍 

I'm just chiming in with my personal thoughts on the matter.   We get to choose, and I just choose differently than some others.  Free thinker.....and all that, ya know? ✌️ 

The way I look at it:  I only have to make it another 15 or so years, then I'll be about ready to write a book and give up the ghost.  Who the heck wants to be a drain on their loved ones by hanging around well into their 90's?    😅 

Check this out.   You might be on to something.  
Journal of Epidemiology article in April  

Conclusion

Most healthcare interventions studied within recent Cochrane Reviews are not supported by high quality evidence, and harms are under-reported.

Key words

Evidence
systematic review
epidemiology
quality
safety
harm

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0895435622001007

Posted
1 hour ago, oneshot said:

Well I was plenty relaxed but my ears couldn't handle the pressure. 

Supposed to try again tomorrow after some medication. 

oneshot 

My ears have been jacked up since the radiation to the head and neck.  But my trip to the Chattanooga area had them popping like normal again.  I had been afraid to fly since the radiation.  Dropping off hills into the Current River valley had me under alot of pressure, my ears would not pop right.

Hang in there.

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."

Hunter S. Thompson

Posted
5 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Check this out.   You might be on to something.  
Journal of Epidemiology article in April

Oh, I don't think you'll never hear, or see, the accredited "disease detectives" report anything out of line to the general public.  🙄

Posted
5 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Oh, I don't think you'll never hear, or see, the accredited "disease detectives" report anything out of line to the general public.  🙄

That study sure puts some light on it.  

Posted

Being the beneficiary of a twice repaired back, two prosthetic knees, two prosthetic hips, one repaired 100% separation/torn rotater cuff and one kidney stone removed from my bladder, it's kind of hard to get me to badmouth modern medicine.  I'd be an invalid instead of being able to ride a bike and walk 18 holes of golf.  And being an invalid is the kind of thing that will kill you.

You probably won't hear Janet doing so either, especially now that she has 20-20 vision in both eyes after cataract surgery.  Which is better vision than she ever had as she started wearing glasses at age five.

Posted
1 hour ago, Terrierman said:

Being the beneficiary of a twice repaired back, two prosthetic knees, two prosthetic hips, one repaired 100% separation/torn rotater cuff and one kidney stone removed from my bladder, it's kind of hard to get me to badmouth modern medicine.  I'd be an invalid instead of being able to ride a bike and walk 18 holes of golf.  And being an invalid is the kind of thing that will kill you.

You probably won't hear Janet doing so either, especially now that she has 20-20 vision in both eyes after cataract surgery.  Which is better vision than she ever had as she started wearing glasses at age five.

ALMOST wants me to have cataracts to get rid of trifocals. They will happen because it is part of life. 

"We have met the enemy and it is us",

Pogo

   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend"

Lefty Kreh

    " Never display your knowledge, you only share it"

Lefty Kreh

         "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!"

BilletHead

    " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting"

BilletHead

  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs"

BilletHead

Posted
2 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

$10K and your done...

           Going to have insurance do it for me someday I guess. 

"We have met the enemy and it is us",

Pogo

   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend"

Lefty Kreh

    " Never display your knowledge, you only share it"

Lefty Kreh

         "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!"

BilletHead

    " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting"

BilletHead

  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs"

BilletHead

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