Revisions for Big River in the new edition of the Paddler's Guide...

[fishinwrench]

47 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

And I trust the world is indeed round

It appears that in 2024 that assumption is still debatable.  Some highly educated folk (probably biologists) strongly disagree. 🤷‍♂️

[snagged in outlet 3]

4 hours ago, tjm said:

Sure they could do that without ever getting a boat wet. Which begs the question of why did they even ask someone to float all those streams. But in truth and honesty,  I asked Al how he measured the stream miles, not how they might have done it, and all these pages later are the result people who weren't there  wanting to guess how  Al did it. My other questions arose to determine if those others had been there or had actual experience in map making. It's kinda like someone asking fishinwrench how he would adjust the carb on a two cycle boat motor and everybody on the site responding that wrench used a screwdriver, a stethoscope, a stopwatch and a piece of string,  and got his instructions from a smart phone. Entertaining answers but having nothing to do with the question asked.

And it really doesn't matter because we have to use the bridges or public accesses to put in and to take out regardless of how far apart they are  and miles traveled in an hour or in a day will vary with stream current, paddle size, user ability, type of boat  and even the wind speed and direction; and those bridges will show up when you get there. The mileage is immaterial and the inquiry  just a curiosity on my part; I found it odd that they marked mileage on such maps as being accurate to  within 200 yards with the various changes streams make after every rain, and also found my estimate and their "measurement" weren't always in agreement. I've been curious about their methods for years and thought the guy doing the map might have knowledge of his methods, both now and 20-40 years ago. Many of the local accesses listed in my  guide have been closed to the public for years, prompting the question of did MDC revise all the streams. 

You need a hobby..   Fishing maybe??😆

[tjm]

59 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

You need a hobby.

Counting Al wannabes?

[Terrierman]

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

You need a hobby..   Fishing maybe??😆

I think he has a hobby.

[tjm]

4 hours ago, Terrierman said:

40 years ago they used aerial photos and a planimeter. 

Nice if we wanted to know the area of the river. 

[fishinwrench]

Now, if you REALLY wanna talk about terrible & inaccurate mapping......Let's bring up topo maps made more than 15-20 years ago.    

I'm confused as to why they even bothered!

[Flysmallie]

21 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

It appears that in 2024 that assumption is still debatable.  Some highly educated folk (probably biologists) strongly disagree. 🤷‍♂️

Highly educated does not always equal intelligent. 

[fishinwrench]

5 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

Highly educated does not always equal intelligent. 

 

That's true.    

"Educated" tends to mean PROGRAMMED. 

A scholar will fail History class unless they answer questions regarding Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy Assassination, 9-11, ect. a certain way.    That should tell you all you need to know right there. 🤔

[Flysmallie]

14 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

 

That's true.    

"Educated" tends to mean PROGRAMMED. 

A scholar will fail History class unless they answer questions regarding Pearl Harbor, the Kennedy Assassination, 9-11, ect. a certain way.    That should tell you all you need to know right there. 🤔

Tells me you never attended a history class. 

[fishinwrench]

2 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

Tells me you never attended a history class. 

Maybe "fail" was too strong of a word.  🙄