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Yeah they all operate off whoever's towers and can be identified and triangulated; but who has that number? can they be connected to a name and address?

I bought the permits, but never hunted this season. Don't really think many ducks got this far south, at least I didn't see enough to get me excited.

How does that work on them prepaid phones? Thought they were anonymous? I would guess though that hot wiring a couple of yard tractors and jacking trailers around for an hour or so they must have left some fingerprints.

So, if you are planning a heist in Mo. it would be good to loan your cell phone to a buddy going to California for that time period; if your phone is not in Mo at time of crime then you weren't either. got it

Quite a lot of resistance from hunters and "farmers" to containing/controlling this disease, many simply refuse to see it as anything but the government messing around with the deer "farmers" "livestock" and costing the "farmers" money. Destroying deer to benefit the the public just ain't popular. Add in that much of what is believed to be true about CWD is actually very hard to prove and that the deer have to be dead to be tested and chances are it will be beyond "too little too late" when the public wakes up. May already be past any real help.

Probably nothing exists as stupid as deer management, period. Car killing vermin. A hummingbird never totaled out a car, takes far greater skill to feed your family on archery killed hummingbirds too.

Doesn't the needle infect? I have read some where that fish may die three or four days after being handled/stressed, so how can any of us say with certainty that we have "never" caused the death of a released fish? Best we can do is immediate release, but, live wells mean that isn't happening so as a second best I sorta like the get there early enough to prep and cool the live well or don't use it philosophy. Thanks for both the video link and to merc1997's information. Keep spreading the word.

Everybody is impacted by CWD, just not everyone is aware of the impact. Probably too late to even contain CWD, might slow the spread by "culling", but the contaminated ground seems to never get better and now they know the prions are taken up in plants and spread that way as well as by contact. Will they find prions are also taken up and spread by scavengers of infected animals? No doubt it originated in penned deer and has been introduced all across the USA by transporting captive cervids and probably by feeding ground antler to promote antler growth. Only hope of containment that I can see is immediate closure of all cervid pens and extermination of all deer within a large buffer zone and maintaining that deer free zone for the foreseeable future, ain't gonna happen and anything less just a "we tried gesture". So far, no CWD jump to humans that we know of. Do penned deer differ from wild deer enough that they can be distinguished as "livestock"? I think that if they did there would be no demand for them. The deer pen folks say "they are live stock" when seeking exemption from game regulation, but say "they are wild trophy deer" when selling hunts. Be interesting to see what the high court says. My guess is the "farmers" will eventually win, they can bring big money to the argument.

fwiw, duct tape will stop a no pressure leak. Just go round and round. But ultimately the emergency services need notifying, call 911 immediately and let trained personnel deal with it.

Seriously? folks down there don't have phones? Really???

last summers crawdad mounds weathered down over the winter? Hard for me to tell much by pictures, I'd have to be there.

If it's gas I doubt there's much lake pollution going on gasoline flashes off fairly easily even in cold temps, so would be an air issue. It does sound sorta dangerous to unaware visitors. 700' of 2" pipe would hold about 140 gallons and if the only shut off is 700' away, it almost sounds like a safety issue at all times.

"The first-ever large-scale survey of sleepwalking habits in American adults indicated that an estimated 3.6 percent of us—more than 8.4 million people—have had an episode of nocturnal wandering in the past year" https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-science-of-sleepwalking-97626685/

Good advice, right there. It appears that area has working "911"; so very likely any home owner Josie could manage to do something. Just think three numerals to dial. That doesn't look to technical or very dangerous. Got any volunteers to work those phones?

And has a fishing museum next door. How did I not know about this place? Thought Browning still owned Lew's stuff. They do have a "store" on the big auction site. Next time I'm over east I'll be sure to stop by there, thanks for the thread.

Yes, I think Al says it clearest. Greatest impact would be on the locals. Visual and audial pollution being possibly the greatest environmental damage. Road damage might affect us all through MODOT roads, but the county and city roads/streets will absorb the biggest hit. This road subsidy will continue as long as the mine continues. Property values will also plummet in the area. In the end this will be up to the Mo.DNR as mining police. and on the local politicians to enact and maintain zoning regulations. Some group could purchase that land at a price far beyond current value, maybe, then either donate it to the state as a CA or develop it into something more horrible than a strip pit. I don't see, really, how outsiders can help much. I can see no way to blame this on either the current or past federal administration. Federal regulation (regardless of who/which party) will always allow mining if the set rules are complied with; the raw material is always needed, therefore in the best interests of "the people" , once taxation is met with. Current news is result of Mo. Court of Appeals decision that the county didn't follow state laws in the last denial of Winter's request. Again a local issue. It does wave a "wake up and be legal" flag to other county courts.

So all listed "academics" that are resigning list appointment dates from the previous Administration, it would be unlikely that their input would be sought out. It is a bit of a surprise they stayed on this long, but as unpaid cheerleaders/justifiers for leaders no longer in place it is quite possible they won't be missed. With about a billion Parks employees they should manage. The mine will no doubt be a disaster area to be fixed by Fed money sometime down the road and should be stopped. All mines every where should be stopped, we are still mining lead in Mo and selling it overseas, wreaking our environment for the profit of foreigners who sell us lead products at exorbitant prices. In protest I personally will buy no, zero, nada gravel in the upcoming year and if I can remember, no Winter Brothers products either.

OK, I believe that and the guy has filed a bill, that is his something. If it never gets out of committee, he can always say he tried. Best of luck with this. Really is too bad though that they chose to discriminate, all wakes should be treated equally, all shore line should be treated equally.

I just assumed there was a general lack of desire for law enforcement in that area. Party hearty and all that. So you believe there are enough water patrol available to enforce such a law? Could they enforce it without slacking off on other duties? Are cell phone videos considered factual evidence in a Court?

pffttt, $25 fine ain't gonna have much impact But it is a long long way from becoming law. Even when it is law the owners of big boats can prevent the petitions from passing. I'm in favor no wake no matter where and no matter how small the boat. Not just on that lake but all the lakes. How much chance of that happening?

Are these catch and release fisheries? A more sensible approach might be to reduce the limits and increase the minimum lengths.

It used to be illegal in most states. But society is more accepting now days..........

Insurance just for the tourneys or to put on lakes anytime? I know there are some water regulations and a water patrol but have seen some reckless looking operation in the past. To the point that I don't even fish the lakes for my own safety. Do you guys think mandatory training would help any?

I know nothing about these boats or the tournaments, but I wonder are the boat drivers licensed like auto drivers? Any training required?

Not me! I only want to fish where I can walk in the water. If I have to use sonar, depth charges are in order. Always nice if there are some bushes handy too.