Troubles at Mizzou

[Mitch f]

1 hour ago, Flysmallie said:

I know you were asking OTF but I will say that I never worked in the field of mine, never even attempted to. But I also don't think I would be where I am without that experience. 

Actually I posed that question for everyone, I should've been more specific

[SpoonDog]

Yep.  Probably could've been paid more for less work, but I'm doing what I always wanted and it keeps me happy enough.  And as Al and FlySmallie said, there's a lot of courses and experiences I had in college that had pretty substantial positive impacts on the way I see the world. 

[grizwilson]

4 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Actually I posed that question for everyone, I should've been more specific

The most miserable 6.5 years of my life, poor income high stress, investigative auditor for the state, sent several folks to prison, helped a few (very few) I do not even do the checkbook at home any more. Spent the next 30 years being a slacker making 3x as much money and less stress, saving my mental challenges for fishing. 

[joeD]

I was wondering , what is the premise of this thread?

1. Mizzou sucks?

2. Ethnically undiverse Missouri State doesn't?

3. College is great.

4. No it's not.

5. Too expensive?

6. Too rigged in favor of the wealthy?

7. Too much government interference?

8. Too little?

9. In my day, I .....

10. Despite its many flaws, and there are many, our higher education system is still the best in the world.  It will survive and change just as we do.

 

[SpoonDog]

7 hours ago, joeD said:

 

10. Despite its many flaws, and there are many, our higher education system is still the best in the world.  It will survive and change just as we do.

 

If that were the case, we wouldn't need to provide H1B visas for doctors, engineers, biochemists and other researchers to come in from overseas. 

Of course universities will survive and change, the question is whether a shift from affordable, accessible college to unaffordable, inacessible college represents an positive change.  I don't think most folks would seriously argue their kids are better off because their kids carry more debt.

[joeD]

There are affordable college options all over the country.  No one is owed anything. 

Higher education is expensive. Like everything else. 

I don't hear the hue and cry over 6 year loans on a $ 50,000 pick up truck.

You're old and things ain't what they used to be. Boo hoo. Get over it. 

[fishinwrench]

For the most part I'm inclined to think that college is a waste of time and money for most.  Life plans lack direction too often.  My daughter is persuing a double major, environmental law, and engineering.  

Hunnerd bucks says she'll end up as an outfitter running a campground, or getting into real estate.  

Likewise we have English majors with Landscaping businesses, and guys with law degrees selling cars.  

College should be reserved for hands on training.... surgeons and metallurgy, and not "book learning".  Hell what can you learn in college that can't be learned on your own as long as you have a computer, a credit card, and the motivation to succeed?

That piece of paper is nothing more than an attendance certificate and a receipt.

[Mitch f]

4 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

For the most part I'm inclined to think that college is a waste of time and money for most.  Life plans lack direction too often.  My daughter is persuing a double major, environmental law, and engineering.  

Hunnerd bucks says she'll end up as an outfitter running a campground, or getting into real estate.  

Likewise we have English majors with Landscaping businesses, and guys with law degrees selling cars.  

College should be reserved for hands on training.... surgeons and metallurgy, and not "book learning".  Hell what can you learn in college that can't be learned on your own as long as you have a computer, a credit card, and the motivation to succeed?

That piece of paper is nothing more than an attendance certificate and a receipt.

A lot of truth here

[joeD]

If one thinks of higher education solely as a pathway to employment, then, naturally, one has ample reason for uncertainty.

However, if one has a desire to learn, meet other people, discover new interests, grow as a person, become disciplined through study and effort, then, maybe college is worth the intangibles and cost.

Also, ask a graduate from Annapolis if he or she thinks their degree is just a piece of paper.

[Mitch f]

I see a bunch of kids dithering for years and years after their degree or attempted degree with no real purpose. Get up in the morning and make your bed, go to work and then you may find a pathway to your career.