MOPanfisher Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Certainly not all but many of the "spills" do result in fines from the DNR, many of them total in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Nobody is advocating a life sentence for taking a deer from the road or out of season, however maybe a fine of more than $150 or so might be a good start. Daryk Campbell Sr and Haris122 2
fishinwrench Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 4 hours ago, MOPanfisher said: Certainly not all but many of the "spills" do result in fines from the DNR, many of them total in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Nobody is advocating a life sentence for taking a deer from the road or out of season, however maybe a fine of more than $150 or so might be a good start. Not denying that. I just figure that is the reason that punishment isn't a bit more severe.
MoCarp Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 It always seems to me certain people "types" tend to poach..some normally good people can get carried away and the fine system reflects that...big offenders get banned from hunting and fishing for years...MDC... IMHO does a lot better than most states....from what I hear and read so does OK and AR....interestingly those states seem to have greater outdoor opportunities than many other states.....no org is perfect....but these guys seem to do better than avg considering the limited resources available to them.... MONKEYS? what monkeys?
slothman Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 23 hours ago, MoCarp said: It always seems to me certain people "types" tend to poach..some normally good people can get carried away and the fine system reflects that...big offenders get banned from hunting and fishing for years...MDC... IMHO does a lot better than most states....from what I hear and read so does OK and AR....interestingly those states seem to have greater outdoor opportunities than many other states.....no org is perfect....but these guys seem to do better than avg considering the limited resources available to them.... MDC with limited resources?.........HA!
fishinwrench Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 No kidding. If MDC's resources are limited it's only because they threw too many millions at some bone headed project that has no bearing at all on anything worthwhile. snagged in outlet 3, slothman and skeeter 2 1
MoCarp Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 3 hours ago, slothman said: MDC with limited resources?.........HA! how many CO's for how many square miles?...VS how many regular Law enforcement? 1 or 2 VS over 100 ??? MONKEYS? what monkeys?
fishinwrench Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, MoCarp said: how many CO's for how many square miles?...VS how many regular Law enforcement? 1 or 2 VS over 100 ??? That's the MDC's management decision. It darn sure isn't because only one agent per county is all they can afford. slothman 1
slothman Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, fishinwrench said: That's the MDC's management decision. It darn sure isn't because only one agent per county is all they can afford. I have to agree with Wrench on this one. They have the money. It is a matter of how they choose to spend it.
MoCarp Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 48 minutes ago, fishinwrench said: That's the MDC's management decision. It darn sure isn't because only one agent per county is all they can afford. so what would you spend the Millions on and what would you cut? 33 minutes ago, slothman said: I have to agree with Wrench on this one. They have the money. It is a matter of how they choose to spend it. same question so what would you spend the Millions on and what would you cut? The Missouri Department of Conservation’s vision, mission, and values statements communicate our never-ending pledge to serve Missourians and to meet the requirements of the Missouri Constitution (Article IV, Section 40(a) through 46). The mission of the Missouri Department of Conservation is: To protect and manage the forest, fish, and wildlife resources of the state; to facilitate and provide opportunity for all citizens to use, enjoy, and learn about these resources. The Department receives no general revenue funds. The Department of Conservation’s budget request is funded entirely from the Conservation Commission Fund. Sources of revenue include hunting and fishing permits, commercial permits, nonresident permits, the Conservation Sales Tax, and sources of federal assistance including the Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration program and the U. S. Forest Service. The annual budget is less than one percent of the total state budget. The economic benefits of fish, forest, and wildlife management include over $12 billion of business activity annually in Missouri. https://oa.mo.gov/sites/default/files/FY_2016_Conservation_Budget_Request_Gov_Rec.pdf MONKEYS? what monkeys?
fishinwrench Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 4 hours ago, MoCarp said: what would you spend the Millions on and what would you cut? I'm not fully aware of everything they have going on, but if it were up to me I would dump the Paddlefish program immediately and auction off everything associated with it to the highest bidder. The next thing to go would be the urban trout rediculousness. And the breeding and stocking of Hybrid Stripers. The LO walleye efforts are a huge waste of time and money....after 26 years it still ain't working so let that crap go. The 2 brand new "discreet I/O runabouts" they bought to spy on folks crappie fishing off their docks on LO.....just sell them before it freezes, because they haven't even written enough citations to cover the cost of winterizing them..... And besides, people fishing off their docks couldn't hurt the Crappie population on LO even if they all were Capps & Coleman types. Quit with the Elk stupidity. Spend the time, money and energy associated with that on giving more attention to bobwhite quail. Quit with the deer paranoia for awhile and spend some real time protecting our river smallmouth better. If they can stay out all night worrying about guys spotlighting deer then they can monitor these giggers a little better. That magazine? Gone. And fire the full-time photographer. Nice enough pics, if you really need them, are free. Next up: train the maintenance crew better and quit buying brand new trucks, boats, dozers, mowers, brush hogs, and backhoes every year. That equipment can last 10 year+ just fine, you don't have to buy new ones just because the blades are dull or they have a flat tire. And stop putting miles on fully loaded 3/4 and 1ton trucks if all your doing is hauling around a clip board and a laptop. The trucks they auction off at 130k miles don't even have a scratch in the bed for Christ sake. Put THOSE GUYS in little Jeep Liberty's or something. How's that for a start? Prolly saved us about 60 million right there, and you never even felt it. skeeter, awhuber, lee G. and 1 other 4
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