AMERICAN CARP SOCIETY, the Trout unlimited of carp angling

[MoCarp]

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USDA

As per Executive Order 13112 an "invasive species" is defined as a species that is:

1) non-native (or alien) to the ecosystem under consideration and 

2) whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.

Invasive species can be plants, animals, and other organisms (e.g., microbes). Human actions are the primary means of invasive species introductions. For more information, see our Vectors and Pathways section. 

Invasive Species Definition Clarification and Guidance White Paper (2006)
Submitted by the Definitions Subcommittee of the Invasive Species Advisory Committee (ISAC), Approved by ISAC Apr 27, 2006.

On Invasivespeciesinfo.gov you can learn about the impacts of invasive species and the Federal government's response, as well as read select species profiles (animals, aquatic species, microbes, and plants) and find links to agencies and organizations dealing with invasive species issues.    https://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/whatis.shtml

 

[Flysmallie]

So much interest and so many people carp fishing yet he is the only one posting this garbage. 

[Daryk Campbell Sr]

I am interested in a lot of what he posts.   I also read all of the counter arguments, and am interested in them.  This kind if discussion is what interested me in joining the site years ago. I  have messaged Mocarp and thanked him for his information, and dedication.  We have lost people over the years that I have been a member due to others insulting.   I understand the counter points, and the friendly jabs, but, don't understand the insults.   

[fishinwrench]

MoCarp seems pretty thick skinned and is probably as hard to get rid of as his favorite fish species.

He ain't gonna get all butthurt and go nowhere.      Y'all just go right ahead with your trash fish love, it isn't hurting anybody. 😊

[SpoonDog]

41 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

So much interest and so many people carp fishing yet he is the only one posting this garbage. 

Sorta my thought....at what point do common carp become so popular they no longer require the constant stream of threads? I'd buy a hat, a shirt, or a bumper sticker to further that goal

 

But more importantly: who gets to name the fish?  The ones that are caught over and over by multiple anglers.  The first person to catch it?  The first person to catch it at some memorable size?  Is there some international convention on the naming of trophy carp?  Do they get tattoos or ear tags, like cattle, to make sure there's no confusion? 

 

 

 

 

[MOPanfisher]

I have named a few of the carp I have caught while fishing for other species, I cannot print those names or Phil will ban me for bad language. 

[BilletHead]

31 minutes ago, Daryk Campbell Sr said:

I am interested in a lot of what he posts.   I also read all of the counter arguments, and am interested in them.  This kind if discussion is what interested me in joining the site years ago. I  have messaged Mocarp and thanked him for his information, and dedication.  We have lost people over the years that I have been a member due to others insulting.   I understand the counter points, and the friendly jabs, but, don't understand the insults.   

          I have no ill feelings and have yes jabbed at his posts, counter posting some of his findings Bringing the other side of the story. Not his own of course but copy and paste. Some factual maybe and some just here say. I want to see what he has done not his friends and the guys in Europe. If he loves that place so much and what they are doing for their native fish he should maybe join them there. I have been called skippy, salty and he has posted what I thought was a derogatory photo of a drawing of a black native with a spear to one of my posts when I had said I had taken deer with a stick and stone. The guy doesn't know me and has not been beyond just what he wants to read. I have made my own self bows out of one piece of wood. Crafted arrows out of shoots I cut and tied on feathers and stone points I knapped with sinew pitch and hide glue and taken deer. Seven as a matter of fact. I take offense in that but have my big boy underwear on. I am sure he does too. I finally got him to respond on a thread and he showed us trapping photos. He complains about carp being dumped from tourneys. I want to ask what did he do with the trapped carcasses? My goodness there is some viable meat in the trapped goods. Did he consume some? I have trapped and eaten raccoon, beaver and my favorite muskrat. (I know you think there is something wrong with me ). All those trappers out there wasting viable meat. MoCarp should get on that bandwagon too.  Now he is telling us Waterfowl can eat fish eggs and pass them through the grinding gizzard, stomach acids through the bowels out the poop shoot and the fish eggs are still able to hatch? Oh yes this is from Europe. I want credible evidence to support that please,

   BilletHead 

[MoCarp]

54 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

So much interest and so many people carp fishing yet he is the only one posting this garbage. 

Not everyone is keen on the abuse "carp haters" are so keen to dish out...many lurk and never post ever on here or even sign up

33 minutes ago, Daryk Campbell Sr said:

I am interested in a lot of what he posts.   I also read all of the counter arguments, and am interested in them.  This kind if discussion is what interested me in joining the site years ago. I  have messaged Mocarp and thanked him for his information, and dedication.  We have lost people over the years that I have been a member due to others insulting.   I understand the counter points, and the friendly jabs, but, don't understand the insults.   

15 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

MoCarp seems pretty thick skinned and is probably as hard to get rid of as his favorite fish species.

He ain't gonna get all butthurt and go nowhere.      Y'all just go right ahead with your trash fish love, it isn't hurting anybody. 😊

yes I am pretty thick skinned...it only causes me to work harder to further my "cause"...

A To gain acceptance of the carp as an exciting and challenging sport-fish. 

B  To become better carp anglers, assist others and encourage them.

C To treat the carp with respect, promote the release of trophy-size carp and encourage others to do the same. 

D  Most of all: go fishing, share with others, and have fun.

[MoCarp]

8 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

Sorta my thought....at what point do common carp become so popular they no longer require the constant stream of threads? I'd buy a hat, a shirt, or a bumper sticker to further that goal

 

But more importantly: who gets to name the fish?  The ones that are caught over and over by multiple anglers.  The first person to catch it?  The first person to catch it at some memorable size?  Is there some international convention on the naming of trophy carp?  Do they get tattoos or ear tags, like cattle, to make sure there's no confusion? 

 

some fish get nicknamed just like people...one caught from a small lake near KC was just named "fork face" because one of its barbles is forked like a snakes tongue...

it carp related threads bother you there is an IGNORE feature

you sure clicked something that was obviously "carp" so your intent is obvious...

I don't see the bass guys yatchin about the walleye catches or the trout guys about crappies....

1 minute ago, MOPanfisher said:

I have named a few of the carp I have caught while fishing for other species, I cannot print those names or Phil will ban me for bad language. 

I am sure that something giving you a heck of a fight, you thinking its the next state record and once you see "it" only a carp..forgetting the incredible fight you just had....fish dinner people I can imagine get pretty salty...

1 minute ago, BilletHead said:

          I have no ill feelings and have yes jabbed at his posts, counter posting some of his findings Bringing the other side of the story. Not his own of course but copy and paste.

most of what I post, I write or have written in the past....as far as picks would it be better if someone posts a pic they got online of the whopper-plopper they use or do they have to post one they own?

 

15 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

Some factual maybe, and some just hear say. I want to see what he has done not his friends and the guys in Europe. If he loves that place so much and what they are doing for their native fish he should maybe join them there. (spelling corrected)

it pains those to realize that the myths they think as fact are not....its like a child who learns Santa Clause isn't real and mom & dad lied to him.

like it or not ALL americans besides native americans owe their roots to somewhere else..you mistake my passion for carp fishing as un-american and with that you would be wrong

23 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

I have been called skippy, salty and he has posted what I thought was a derogatory photo of a drawing of a black native with a spear to one of my posts when I had said I had taken deer with a stick and stone. The guy doesn't know me and has not been beyond just what he wants to read.   BilletHead 

wrong guy dude..don't think it was me who posted anything of that sort...

 

25 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

 The guy doesn't know me and has not been beyond just what he wants to read. I have made my own self bows out of one piece of wood. Crafted arrows out of shoots I cut and tied on feathers and stone points I knapped with sinew pitch and hide glue and taken deer. Seven as a matter of fact.

just because I don't think its cool to shoot a 30# carp or 8# walleye or gig smallmouths in a stream shouldn't have an effect of your skill at bow making or their use

 

28 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

 I take offense in that but have my big boy underwear on. I am sure he does too. I finally got him to respond on a thread and he showed us trapping photos. He complains about carp being dumped from tourneys. I want to ask what did he do with the trapped carcasses?

Ill gladly give you some coyote chunks to munch on if you like...I get called Peta type person all the time yet that would be a wrong assumption....people like me who like c&r fishing for trophy common carp are no different than those who c&r muskies or trout, bass ETC...

 

32 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

Now he is telling us Waterfowl can eat fish eggs and pass them through the grinding gizzard, stomach acids through the bowels out the poop shoot and the fish eggs are still able to hatch? Oh yes this is from Europe. I want credible evidence to support that please,

I think I have posted the links to those studies some are from the USA too....I will do some more research and locate them again for your reading pleasure...

I think you and a very few others are overwhelmed at 3 things

1) common carp are not the boogie man you have been told they are, and removing them can't guarantee better game fishing,...new evidence is mounting it may make fishing worse by removing a better food source

2) carp are a better fighter than almost every other option we have in freshwater, and its a challenge to fool the biggest ones.

3) interest is growing here and across the USA..and its Americans..not foreigners or illegals...but people like me who can bubba with the best of them...its not poor people, its not people with no other options...its people who love a challenge and love the pull of a big strong fish

 

[MOPanfisher]

LOL, I have spent more than a few hours of my younger life carp fishing with rod and reel and trotlining for them as well.  Don't think I ever caught a carp that I mistook for a walleye or other game fish, completely different fight, and a darn good one too.  I learned a lot about fighting big fish on light tackle from them and enjoyed every minute of it.  However as long as I am able and have places where I can go catch crappie, walleye, white bass and bluegill I am not too worried about selling my tackle and buying carp gear.  Trophy carp fishing is not that different philosophically from any other trophy sport, people spend large amounts of money to pursue huge muskie, bass, walleye, white-tails, turkeys etc.