Mid Mo Smallies

[Chief Grey Bear]

Well other than the 30 million bison had a few hundred million acres to crap on. Not the same 100 day after day. They never over grazed either. Cattle pastures today are severely over grazed. 

An exorbitant amount of litter is spread on crop land. You can see huge piles of it waiting to be spread. And that is in addition to the tons and tons of petro fertilizers. And we haven't even touched on human waste that gets spread. There are a lot of honeywagons out there running every day.

So no, it's not a new problem. But it's getting bigger everyday that we add more people to the food chain that need to be feed.

But hey, it's all ok because the water is the same color it's always been.

[ness]

1 hour ago, Chief Grey Bear said:

 

All that poop has to go somewhere.

Yeah—St. Louis. Which explains a lot. 😄

[Mitch f]

7 hours ago, ness said:

Yeah—St. Louis. Which explains a lot. 😄

Foul!! Foul!!!

 

[snagged in outlet 3]

I think it was a recent article that Greitens appointee approved two new CAFOs just recently that had been denied previously 

[snagged in outlet 3]

http://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-clean-water-don-t-worry-your-pretty-little-heads/article_35ab59ab-3954-5d5f-8743-20afef2297b5.html

[Basfis]

Ag gets a bad rap in part deserved and in part due to size. Inappropriate dumping at landfills happens every day the dump is open.

Ignorant folks dump stuff at creek crossings and into ditches all across our state. I’ve seen many more improperly disposed deer carcasses this year than I’ve ever seen farm animals dumped. 

Feedlots aside, rotational grazing is the norm. We hay pasture as do most I know.

I’m from a farming family and know that care for the land and animals is key to continued farming. If not, I guess the masses can eat stuff “grown” in a lab. Has to be better for the streams, right? 

[BilletHead]

   I'm going to mess with you Mitch and you know I do this out of love for you buddy,

2 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Foul!! Foul!!!

    Squawk Smallmouth, Squawk darned giggers, squawk bigger smallmouth!  

 

           See there fixed it for you. Ness taught me how. Again having fun and please take it this way. Like the passion you all have,

BilletHead couldn't resist

[Mitch f]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

Ness taught me how. 

You take lessons from a guy who packs a gorilla  suit in his  doomsday stash? 😂

[BilletHead]

26 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

You take lessons from a guy who packs a gorilla  suit in his  doomsday stash? 😂

       If and when doomsday hits we might as well have a good time. Could you imagine him in his suit bending over kissing his arse goodbye?  A gorilla may even get a free pass but zombies not so much!

 BilletHead

[Al Agnew]

16 hours ago, Basfis said:

Ag gets a bad rap in part deserved and in part due to size. Inappropriate dumping at landfills happens every day the dump is open.

Ignorant folks dump stuff at creek crossings and into ditches all across our state. I’ve seen many more improperly disposed deer carcasses this year than I’ve ever seen farm animals dumped. 

Feedlots aside, rotational grazing is the norm. We hay pasture as do most I know.

I’m from a farming family and know that care for the land and animals is key to continued farming. If not, I guess the masses can eat stuff “grown” in a lab. Has to be better for the streams, right? 

Cattle farmers (I'm surrounded by them both in Montana and Missouri) absolutely have to care for their land and animals to make a living.  But here's the problem.  You can keep your own land sustainable for raising livestock, and still be contributing greatly to waters that may not even be on your own land.  What is good for cattle is actually seldom if ever good for fish and wildlife.  At best it's somewhat benign.  My neighbors in Missouri raise beef cattle.  Their own land is virtually a wildlife desert...no, not even a desert, a moonscape.  For short periods of time in the spring the fescue is green and fairly lush, otherwise it's little higher than the fairway of a golf course, either because the cattle have been in it (rotationally), or because they cut the hay, and it holds just as much wildlife as the fairways.  They keep their fencerows clean to get a few more feet of good pasture.  The cows also run in their patches of woodland, which are about as open as the average city park.  They spread manure on their fields to keep the fescue growing, along with some other fertilizers, and I feel fortunate that only a tiny bit of their pasture is within the watershed of my pond, because their own ponds are green with overfertilization.  So their land continues to grow good beef cattle, and will for the foreseeable future.  But it grows little else.  And that's a couple hundred acres of land with absolutely no value to wildlife.  Who knows how much overfertilization they are contributing to the nearest creek, which runs on their neighbor's property, but it's definitely overfertilized as well.  But it's not on their land.  They are good people, but cattle (and a few horses) are their priority, nothing else.