Line Size?

[mixermarkb]

I'm sorry if I'm sounding arrogant, but are you guys with the big line twist problems on the eggbeaters closing the bail by reeling at the end of a cast or reeling against the drag when you hook a fish? Flourocarbon is picky, and Sunline handles way better than any other brand, but even with mono snap swivels shouldn't have to be a thing. Don't overfill, close the bail by hand every single time, and never reel against the drag when hung up or when a fish is hooked, and line twist shouldn't be an issue.

[liphunter]

 

11 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

I'm sorry if I'm sounding arrogant, but are you guys with the big line twist problems on the eggbeaters closing the bail by reeling at the end of a cast or reeling against the drag when you hook a fish? Flourocarbon is picky, and Sunline handles way better than any other brand, but even with mono snap swivels shouldn't have to be a thing. Don't overfill, close the bail by hand every single time, and never reel against the drag when hung up or when a fish is hooked, and line twist shouldn't be an issue.

Not at all. I asked for advice. I had heard about the bell and the reeling against the drag. But you brought up a couple of things that I haven't heard of that makes sense. Thanks again...

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

My theory is that the predatory impulse to smack a whole school of shad (Arig) to get an easy meal makes them less cautious. I use 25 pound green Sunline Flourocarbon on my Arigs though, and I'm sure I get more bites compared to braid. I also use rigs with black or brown wire and swivels, not shiny metal. Call it a confidence thing, but I'm convinced it makes a difference.

I also believe that fish look a lot longer at a little slow moving single bait like a grub, or even a jig. Line size can really matter, especially with smallies, and especially around the spawn on the flat calm days. Bo is right that line size and type can effect the fall rate and action of the bait, but visibility matters as well. Maybe not on days when they are biting, but when it's tough, it matters, IMHO.

how does hook visibility factor in??  hooks are way more visible than the fishing line.  skirts on a jig look phony, but bass still bite them.  in fact, they sometimes look a lot like strands of fishing line.  you answered a lot with the statement of predatory impulse factor.  that is why they bite anything, and that is what we strive to do when fishing is to trick them into striking at an offering.

bottom line is there are more than one way to skin a cat.  invisible line is fine, but perhaps not really a necessity.

bo

[Ham]

1 hour ago, liphunter said:

Ok. Time for a little confession.  I seem to have a problem with flouro on my spinning reels. I have tried winding in both directions (unless I lost track and wound it in the same direction). But I still have a problem with it wanting to jump off the reel. Maybe overloading the reel? or Still winding in the wrong direction. Could use some experienced comment on this. Thanks

Or maybe straight fluro on spinning is just a freaking disaster 

[Basfis]

1 hour ago, Sore Thumbs said:

I just can’t get myself to use less than 8lb flouro on my spinning rods. I’ve starting using braid with flouro leader and I absolutely love it. 

I don’t often use spinning gear, but when I do .....

braid on every spinning rod used by anyone I’m kin to and me. It’s absolutely phenomenal for feel, casting distance and trouble free. Hi vis yellow, green and pink.  With a fluoro leader, it’s all good 

Some is into it’s 3rd season this year. Unless it frays, I’m waiting for it to show signs of weakening before changing 

[mixermarkb]

I love fluorocarbon on finesse spinning stuff. Braid or Nano to flouro is fine, and I like it on some things, but straight Sunline Sniper FC is amazing. I like how it casts and handles, I like how it sinks and doesn’t float and blow in the wind like nano or braid.

I’m convinced 6 or 7 pound green Sunline is what God himself said to use for grubbing and ned rigging. I’m pretty sure it’s written somewhere in Leviticus.

[dan hufferd]

16 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

written somewhere in Leviticus

All the fishing boats in the Bible use a net. They didn't muck about with fishing rods and pro shops.  

It sounds like if you have line on you real you are good. I use 10 lb braid on my spinning reels with a flouro leader, I even throw a jerk bait with that set up.  My uncle fishes on the deep end of the lake, and has his whole life, he uses a real nice baitcasting set up with good old 17 lb mono, and does well.  

I haven't tried sunline but I have heard good things about it. My leader is different depending on what I am throwing but the braid stays the same.

[Dough]

Thanks for all the input, I heard what I needed to hear. I I was hoping I wasn't going to have to spend a bunch of $$ and respool a bunch of rods just for one weekend that I won't be fishing a mudhole like I usually do. 

[abkeenan]

9 hours ago, Ham said:

Or maybe straight fluro on spinning is just a freaking disaster 

I go co-poly on my spinning reels. Straight 8lb Yozuri Hybrid. Simple, effective and never have had a problem. Nothing worse than spastic line jumping off the reel or the dreaded loop knot down in the spool of no return. 

I know you're a nanofil guy and I never have tried it. Need to give it a whirl.

[abkeenan]

10 hours ago, merc1997 said:

how does hook visibility factor in??  hooks are way more visible than the fishing line.  skirts on a jig look phony, but bass still bite them.  in fact, they sometimes look a lot like strands of fishing line.  you answered a lot with the statement of predatory impulse factor.  that is why they bite anything, and that is what we strive to do when fishing is to trick them into striking at an offering.

bottom line is there are more than one way to skin a cat.  invisible line is fine, but perhaps not really a necessity.

bo

I'm in this camp. Used to care about fish being able to see line and having an impact on catch/bite rate. I have since done a 180 the last couple of years since the A-Rig made me question the whole deal. I really don't think the fish care about the line. They are focused on whatever lure you happen to be throwing. It's the target making the commotion.  Having a ball on a string and playing with a cat or dog, they don't go for the string. They focus on the ball. Animals are not that smart. Especially pea brained fish that are caught on the same trap repeatedly (Hopefully - C&R plug). On top of that if the fish are in an inactive mood....they aren't going to bite anything more than likely, regardless of line visibility factors. If they are active or feeding, they'll bite anything that comes into their field of vision/lateral line. All my opinion of course but that's where I'm at in "game (fish) theory".