Need SS# to purchase a permit in Missouri as of today

[Basfis]

34 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

name of safety.  It's interesting two years ago we couldn't afford a single refugee in the country because on in 10,000 might be a terrorist, yet today the routine murder of American youth is an acceptable tradeoff for a strict interpretation of constitutional doctrine.  The uniting principle in those two positions isn't security, safety, or even law- it's a cavalier attitude towards the lives of other human beings.  They'll make a sacrifice so you don't have to.  It's greed. 

WOW. That’s a leap right there. 

I own an AR for varmint hunting. Can’t wait for lights to be legit to night hunt coyotes. Turns out it sits safely in a safe on its own. 

[skeeter]

Received a thorough, lengthy reply from my State Senator (David Sater-R- District 29-from Cassville ) including copies of the State Statute after my contact with his office about this new and mostly unwelcome requirement. 

Turns out the MO State Legislature passed this law, to be in compliance with the Feds. who included recreational licenses, requiring SS # to obtain a license and other permits and licenses of various types back in 1997.  Just recently, the MDC discovered they were not in compliance with the 1997 law and enacted the Soc. # requirement.  Sen Sater pointed out he was not in Office back then and did not vote for this. 

[fishinwrench]

Why (especially in 1997) would the Federal Government give 2 hoots about a license that is only valid in one state ?

That would be like the fed demanding SSN to get a wrist band at a concert.  

Are things not complicated enough for them already? Federal requirement my butt!   I don't believe that for a second. Unless the fed is owed taxes on the income MDC generated on the sale of those permits.  Do they truly insist on tracking our every penny ?

Yet they let it slide for 21 years ?    Riiiight!  😄

[skeeter]

On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 10:02 AM, fishinwrench said:

Why (especially in 1997) would the Federal Government give 2 hoots about a license that is only valid in one state ?

That would be like the fed demanding SSN to get a wrist band at a concert.  

Are things not complicated enough for them already? Federal requirement my butt!   I don't believe that for a second. Unless the fed is owed taxes on the income MDC generated on the sale of those permits.  Do they truly insist on tracking our every penny ?

Yet they let it slide for 21 years ?    Riiiight!  😄

Nationwide is what I was told, not just one State.  Yes, they want to track you from womb to tomb on everything you do.  According to Sen. Sater's reply, the MDC wasn't aware they were not in compliance until just recently so for the past 21 years, the Feds nor the State didn't get any info from MO Anglers or Hunters.....and they didn't raise any objections to that and neither one brought it up. 

[fishinwrench]

Yeah whatever.  I quit trusting, and started being skeptical of everything the government does immediately after 9-11

Far as I can tell they are all corrupt and rotten to the core.  Nothing anyone can do about it, but I'm not gonna fly old glory and carry on about how proud I am of this country until a number of things are brought to light and made right.  I'm ashamed of where we are right now. It's sad.

[skeeter]

I used to favor one Party over the other but came to the conclusion several years ago they are ALL interested in one thing and one thing only and that is to fill their wallets.  That and to get re-elected so they can feed at the Public Trough and collect their Pensions.  At least we have Term Limits in MO but why do we have Pensions for Elected Officials ?  And please don't get me started on those thieves at the Federal level. 

[mixermarkb]

On June 8, 2018 at 7:35 PM, SpoonDog said:

Guns are a tool- and just like it's tough to build a house without a hammer, it's tough to mow down dozens of people in a few seconds without an AR-15 or similar high-capacity weapon.  I need to kill a lot of people quickly- that's the problem these guns solve.  And it's up to us to determine whether everyone in society- regardless of mental or emotional state- needs to have that solution at their ready disposal.  If we're gonna say "it's just a tool," then let's be honest about what the tool does.

 

 

As I type this, I'm at my job, backstage at the Keith Urban show. Prior to opening doors, we had a walk through with ATF agents and a large dog. We already had Aldean through, and his crew guys were quiet, and kept to themselves this year, unlike the jovial, friendly guys from last year. 

We can't keep cutting mental health programs, AND keep holding to strict constructionist 2nd amendment views, and expect our daily lives not to change in negative ways.

 

 

[fishinwrench]

Well if there was a bona-fide test for mental illness then Kieth Urban and Jason Aldean probably wouldn't be allowed "instruments" around crowds of people.  

The way psychiatrist's are pushing PTSD drugs it won't be long until anyone returning from military service will be on the "no guns allowed" list. It'll be interesting to see how many guys "just want to serve their country" when they know they'll be watched like a hawk when they get back home.

Interesting if you have the time... 

 

[liphunter]

On 6/8/2018 at 7:35 PM, SpoonDog said:

Guns are a tool- and just like it's tough to build a house without a hammer, it's tough to mow down dozens of people in a few seconds without an AR-15 or similar high-capacity weapon.  I need to kill a lot of people quickly- that's the problem these guns solve.  And it's up to us to determine whether everyone in society- regardless of mental or emotional state- needs to have that solution at their ready disposal.  If we're gonna say "it's just a tool," then let's be honest about what the tool does.

 

We can make the same argument that dedicated people will find a way around border walls, or find a way to slip through security.  We still eagerly implement those measures in the name of safety.  It's interesting two years ago we couldn't afford a single refugee in the country because on in 10,000 might be a terrorist, yet today the routine murder of American youth is an acceptable tradeoff for a strict interpretation of constitutional doctrine.  The uniting principle in those two positions isn't security, safety, or even law- it's a cavalier attitude towards the lives of other human beings.  They'll make a sacrifice so you don't have to.  It's greed. 

Thank you for your remarks on my post. I almost bit. But I am not going to play tag with HR department. Have a wonderfully liberal day. 

[tjm]

Out of curiosity, how many of you will vote to ban pump gasoline when the attackers start to use napalm?

Gas is not a right protected under the Constitution and is ridiculously easy  to use.