Larry Dablemont Article

[MoCarp]

I will say this, I wouldn't be eating ANY venison ANY time soon...not taking any chances and I am sure I won't be the only one.

its not like pro buy deer hunting paraphernalia advocates aren't getting ahead of this while they can...big $ at stake here, 

 

 

 

 

[MoCarp]

makes you wonder, as a advertising person we have a long history of $ trying to mask things bad for our health for the mighty dollar.and the 1st to blow the whistle are people just like LD, don't know how this will pan out, but looking at it isn't a bad thing, is LD full of caca? perhaps only time will tell

[fishinwrench]

I have a huge problem with the whole "freedom of speech" thing.   Early in my life I remember my mom teaching me that if it was written as non-fiction and published by a reputable source then the words were factual.  I think that used to be true (back in the day) but it certainly isn't anymore.  It's actually becoming harder and harder to learn things because it's impossible to know whether or not the information you are absorbing is good or not.   

Even the service manuals approved by the manufacturers of the engines I work on are wrong much of the time.  

Face it y'all, we are living in a world full of BS.   And we badly need BSPolice.  None of us know WTH we are talking about because we are all being taught 2nd and 3rd hand BS.  It's not a matter of truth anymore, it's a matter of what you've decided (or been programmed) to believe.

 

[fishinwrench]

37 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds good, I'm having one right now.  😃👍

[MoCarp]

yah takes a spin, yah takes yah chances...

 

 

[SpoonDog]

MOCarp- I suspect if I wrote a syndicated newspaper article insisting MDC relax bowfishing regs, because you say you love bowfishing and we need more big carp killed in our lakes, streams and reservoirs, that you wouldn't just go along with it.  I suspect if that happened, you wouldn't claim I was a good journalist, or a reliable source, or that I had adequately represented your position. 

Fishinwrench-  I suspect if I wrote a syndicated newspaper article that you say anglers should be putting 10% ethanol in all their outboards because it's good for the environment and vastly improves engine performance, you wouldn't just go along with it.  I suspect if that happened, you wouldn't claim I was a good journalist, or a reliable source, or that I had adequately represented your position. 

On some level I'm certain you guys get this.  If Dablemont only relied on his own opinion to make his claims, I wouldn't have an issue.  But his work relies on taking the words of other people and manipulating them into something entirely different.  I get being suspicious of gov't and it's possible nefarious things are going on behind the scenes- but in this instance the only party we know is misrepresenting facts...is Dablemont.  If being a thoughtful, intelligent, critical reader is so important, it's weird to throw support behind the one guy who's provably blowing smoke up one's bum. 

[Johnsfolly]

I get tired of the fear mongering that goes on today and this guy to me represents one of the worse types of offenders, one that cherry picks data and presents that as fact or overgeneralizes "findings" to support his agenda. I have had real issues over the last decade with channels like Animal Planet that put on TV shows that support pseudoscience. The problem is that there is no disclaimer stating that what is being presented is the opinion of the show's producer, but instead is passed off as scientific facts. When people watch shows like that they assume that what is being presented is scientific fact or else it would not be in this "nature" show. Timothy Treadwell, the grizzly bear man" is a great example of using his opinions to misrepresent bear behavior. He advocated that we could develop mutual relationships with bears and that they should not be feared then he ends up being eaten by an bear. Not only himself but his girlfriend was killed and partially eaten as well. I wonder how many people watched his programs and were convinced that bears can be trusted.

I do not believe that he Dablemont is out for the public good. I believe that he is more about trying to perpetuate his own fame and agenda. Because of that I cannot trust what he says. again those are my beliefs. 

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, SpoonDog said:

MOCarp- I suspect if I wrote a syndicated newspaper article insisting MDC relax bowfishing regs,

funny you say that....its my understanding some in the bow orgs seek to expand what they can shoot in Missouri and Arkansas...with the " harvest is harvest regardless how"  and how they can already stab "game fish" underwater in Arkansas anyways

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 if I wrote a syndicated newspaper article

that would mean the newspaper PAID YOU for your OP-ED...its up to you the reader to take that info for what its worth, even though I personally do not agree with a lot of LDs views, I get offended when those with a $ interest seek to silence him.

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On some level I'm certain you guys get this.  If Dablemont only relied on his own opinion to make his claims, I wouldn't have an issue.  But his work relies on taking the words of other people and manipulating them into something entirely different.  I get being suspicious of gov't and it's possible nefarious things are going on behind the scenes- but in this instance the only party we know is misrepresenting facts...is Dablemont.  If being a thoughtful, intelligent, critical reader is so important, it's weird to throw support behind the one guy who's provably blowing smoke up one's bum. 

in that we agree LD is (at least in his writings) not making a legal case..but his writing style isn't that ...its casual, like two people chating at the diner yatching about taxes or city government ...kinda like comparing a joe rogan pod cast to a meet the press interview...but like I said earlier, its enough of a threat I would eat and venison for a while, and people I know are doing the same till the dust settles and we have better answers, as far as his slam on MDC agents, all I can speak of is my personal experience and in my 58 years had one just bad experience on a short walleye that wasn't short....I know people that work for the MDC and  AGAF they are some of the most honorable people I have ever known and they do their jobs for the love of the outdoors, not for the $ thats for sure, are there bad apples sure but with any org they have processes in place to police them self...

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said:

I get tired of the fear mongering that goes on today and this guy to me represents one of the worse types of offenders,

that is the world we live in today, I remember people having a run away when 4 kids died from eating tainted food from a jack-in -the box back in 93...but its a wake up call....is CWD a killer in people? its a no proven cases yet....YET...I suspect so few cases have been looked into we don't know, so unless we feed prion venison to people to find out..something LD hints at with his slam at giving save the harvest venison to food banks.

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one that cherry picks data and presents that as fact or overgeneralizes "findings" to support his agenda. I have had real issues over the last decade with channels like Animal Planet that put on TV shows that support pseudoscience. The problem is that there is no disclaimer stating that what is being presented is the opinion of the show's producer, but instead is passed off as scientific facts. When people watch shows like that they assume that what is being presented is scientific fact or else it would not be in this "nature" show. Timothy Treadwell, the grizzly bear man" is a great example of using his opinions to misrepresent bear behavior. He advocated that we could develop mutual relationships with bears and that they should not be feared then he ends up being eaten by an bear. Not only himself but his girlfriend was killed and partially eaten as well. I wonder how many people watched his programs and were convinced that bears can be trusted.

I do not believe that he Dablemont is out for the public good. I believe that he is more about trying to perpetuate his own fame and agenda. Because of that I cannot trust what he says. again those are my beliefs. 

The animal rights and IMHO Vegan militants are all over pushing agendas, as is their right, its our right to process the information and develop our own opinion...unfortunately sometimes that make people go swimming with the polar bears at the zoo and get killed or get snake bit, saw a video of a person letting a poor bobcat out of a trap, and got tore the hell up!..little did he know that bob cat was killing and eating the neighborhood pets!

I push my own pro carp agenda with the rest of my fellow carp anglers, and have had more than a few attempts at silencing the message because some don't want what MAY happen...

 the potential to crush a lucrative industry (deer hunting) with a "CWD will kill you" epitaph is something state wildlife managers and deer hunting industry people are scrambling to fix, if you don't think so try taking deer products from Missouri in to Tenn!!!!

[fishinwrench]

4 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

it's weird to throw support behind the one guy who's provably blowing smoke up one's bum. 

I don't "support" him.  Matter of fact the only time I ever saw him speak I walked out after about 10 minutes.  I suspected insane amounts of wasted funds by the MDC years before LD started crowing about it.   

"Wasted" to me, simply means that I believe the funds should be used to do other things.  For example: To ME the money spent collecting beetles, going hog-wild on raising Spoonbill, and using 3/4 ton fully loaded trucks to haul around nothing but laptop computers could be better spent improving Smallmouth habitat and taking measures to police illegal gigging (for starters).  

They keep inventing new things to spend  lots of time & money on while so many other TRULY IMPORTANT things get put away unfinished, and I know that the NEW things will get put away unfinished too.  The things I wish they'd stay focused on should be important to YOU and everyone else here too.  My complaint is valid IMO and I'm surprised that nobody else here agrees and thinks I should just SUPPORT them when they have a long standing record of going through money like a hot knife through butter and never finishing anything they start.